Lock The Gates

[skywalker253]

My guess is the game department will use money as an excuse NOT to do something. IMO- The game department needs to get more creative to generate revenue. Huntphool wants solutions to manage the area and lock the gates. Somebody has to be paid to do these things. Here is my SOLUTION to help fund the effort. And before anyone wants to get on here and bash me for actually posting an IDEA; I am not saying this is the RIGHT WAY to do it. Just an IDEA...

Why not create a tier'd draw system based on cost.

Quality hunts require a larger fee to apply for versus an Anterless hunt, etc.

Cost is based off the type of hunt (Example- Quality Deer) and the Hunt Choice (Example- Entiat 1234). The better the Hunt Choice, the more expensive it is.

Close the GMU during the general season and make it a draw only.

Create 1-3 hunts per GMU and charge accordingly. Late season Entiat hunt would require a bigger application fee versus the general season etc. My fee's and number of permits given per season are only for example purposes. Both the "A season" and "B" season are at the EXACT same time.

1) Early Season A $40.00
    10 permits
2) General Season A $20.00
    5 permits
3) Late Season A $60.00
    20 permits

1) Early Season B $4.00
     2 permits
2) General Season B $2.00
     5 permits
3) Late Season B $6.00
     2 permits

For those who cannot afford to pay the increased fee's; reserve the EXACT SAME PERMITS but at a smaller fee (Example- The "B" hunts I have listed.) They would also have a lesser chance of getting drawn, because they would give out say 20 permits at a high rate versus 5 permits at the cheaper rate. This gives EVERYONE a choice and does not EXCLUDE anyone from an opprotunity. Those who contribute more revenue to the program, have a higher percentage of getting drawn, based on the number of issued permits.

Use the money generated across the state to invest in the proper management measures (lock gates, fund gates, etc.) to protect our resource and provide QUALITY hunting for everyone, who wants to take advantage of the PRIVLEDGE.

Personally...I would pay $200 per year to apply in the Entiat with no definate that I was going to get drawn. As long as the department was making positive strides toward producing QUALITY hunting in the areas I am applying for and protecting the resource.

[skywalker253]

Here is the math, based off the Modern Firearm 2011 applicants (4420 applicants).

4420 @ $60.00 per permit =$265,200
4420 @ $40.00 per permit =$176,800
4420 @ $20.00 per permit =$88,400

4420 @ $13.70 per quality special permit is the current rate in the 2012 Regulations. The total revenue generated for 2011 = $60,554 for Modern Firearm Quality Deer Entiat Hunt Choice.

If you add the 3 totals up to get an average = $530,400 divided by 3 = $176,800 average per year special permit generated revenue. The actual number would likely be MUCH higher, because most are going to apply for more than 1 hunt choice for the GMU (Example- Apply for the Early Season and Late Season). These numbers are based off the "A" hunts. Additional revenue would also be generated from the "B" hunts. Keep in mind these numbers are for example purposes. As you can see; with a little creativity, you can generate a ton of cash to help fund the ideas everyone has talked about within the forum.

My perspective- I would rather spend $60.00 for an opprotunity at a late deer permit in the Entiat, which is a secure gated area; known to produce a QUALITY hunting experience and a QUALITY DEER versus $5000 for a guided hunt in Idaho to shoot the same thing,

[huntnphool]

Thanks for the in depth thought sky but I don't believe this would have any impact on the issue at hand. Please read the original post again and I think you will understand the issue.

[PlateauNDN]

Thanks for the in depth thought sky but I don't believe this would have any impact on the issue at hand. Please read the original post again and I think you will understand the issue.

   I think Colockumelk has some competition in the arena of stats and studies.

[skywalker253]

Thanks for the in depth thought sky but I don't believe this would have any impact on the issue at hand. Please read the original post again and I think you will understand the issue.

I know what your original post said, but you have to generate revenue some how to pay for it. I have gone to the annual meetings in Olympia. Whenever an idea is presented, the department always goes back to ROI plan (return on investment). They want to see a cause and effect plan for everything. Your suggestion is to lock the gates or open the main line and barricade the non-main roads.

How are they going to pay for the baricades?
The labor to open and close the gates everytime somebody needs in?
Repair costs when some jerk damages a gate?
Signs on the roadway?

All these cost add up and have to be accounted for. So I am suggesting a way to pay for it.

[huntnphool]

Thanks for the in depth thought sky but I don't believe this would have any impact on the issue at hand. Please read the original post again and I think you will understand the issue.

I know what your original post said, but you have to generate revenue some how to pay for it. I have gone to the annual meetings in Olympia. Whenever an idea is presented, the department always goes back to ROI plan (return on investment). They want to see a cause and effect plan for everything. Your suggestion is to lock the gates or open the main line and barricade the non-main roads.

How are they going to pay for the baricades?
The labor to open and close the gates everytime somebody needs in?
Repair costs when some jerk damages a gate?
Signs on the roadway?

All these cost add up and have to be accounted for. So I am suggesting a way to pay for it.

Most of the gates are already in place, they just need to be swung shut and locked. Signs at the gates prohibiting motorized vehicles when gates are locked could be paid for with the same money that pays for our WDFW officers to go up in there all the time responding to phone calls. I would imagine a minimal one time cost. How many gates are damaged each year statewide, I'm thinking this is a non factor as well.

Return on investment? How about the continued revenue generated by the permits people purchase to hunt these areas, which will dry up if this BS is allowed to continue and people stop wanting to waste money applying.

[skywalker253]

You may want to attend one of their meetings to gain a better understanding of how they run their budget and apply funds etc. It is not as easy as saying "just lock the gates." In the world of business, their are a multatude of factors, which make up the overall costs. I agree with you in everything that you said, but it is not that simple in the world of business.

[skywalker253]

Thanks for the in depth thought sky but I don't believe this would have any impact on the issue at hand. Please read the original post again and I think you will understand the issue.

   I think Colockumelk has some competition in the arena of stats and studies.

LOL
I am a very detailed individual. You should see my show car/street rod!

For all I know; my suggestion may cost more to implement than what it is worth. Only an idea...

[huntnphool]

Thanks for the in depth thought sky but I don't believe this would have any impact on the issue at hand. Please read the original post again and I think you will understand the issue.

   I think Colockumelk has some competition in the arena of stats and studies.

Only an idea...

And thats what we need, ideas. Post a thread on your car, lets see it.

[DBLDWN]

Thanks for the in depth thought sky but I don't believe this would have any impact on the issue at hand. Please read the original post again and I think you will understand the issue.

I know what your original post said, but you have to generate revenue some how to pay for it. I have gone to the annual meetings in Olympia. Whenever an idea is presented, the department always goes back to ROI plan (return on investment). They want to see a cause and effect plan for everything. Your suggestion is to lock the gates or open the main line and barricade the non-main roads.

How are they going to pay for the baricades?
The labor to open and close the gates everytime somebody needs in?
Repair costs when some jerk damages a gate?
Signs on the roadway?

All these cost add up and have to be accounted for. So I am suggesting a way to pay for it.

Most of the gates are already in place, they just need to be swung shut and locked. Signs at the gates prohibiting motorized vehicles when gates are locked could be paid for with the same money that pays for our WDFW officers to go up in there all the time responding to phone calls. I would imagine a minimal one time cost. How many gates are damaged each year statewide, I'm thinking this is a non factor as well.

Return on investment? How about the continued revenue generated by the permits people purchase to hunt these areas, which will dry up if this BS is allowed to continue and people stop wanting to waste money applying.

So you think WDFW wont lose revenue by locking the mountains up? Just a question. Your slander on sleds in the entiat is a bunch of BS also! I would like to see your evidence on that comment. Your starting to sound like a liberal olympian. .

[skywalker253]

DB-Who is your post directed to? I'm assuming not me, as I said nothing about locking up mtns or sleding. I think your in left field on this one...

[huntnphool]

Thanks for the in depth thought sky but I don't believe this would have any impact on the issue at hand. Please read the original post again and I think you will understand the issue.

I know what your original post said, but you have to generate revenue some how to pay for it. I have gone to the annual meetings in Olympia. Whenever an idea is presented, the department always goes back to ROI plan (return on investment). They want to see a cause and effect plan for everything. Your suggestion is to lock the gates or open the main line and barricade the non-main roads.

How are they going to pay for the baricades?
The labor to open and close the gates everytime somebody needs in?
Repair costs when some jerk damages a gate?
Signs on the roadway?

All these cost add up and have to be accounted for. So I am suggesting a way to pay for it.

Most of the gates are already in place, they just need to be swung shut and locked. Signs at the gates prohibiting motorized vehicles when gates are locked could be paid for with the same money that pays for our WDFW officers to go up in there all the time responding to phone calls. I would imagine a minimal one time cost. How many gates are damaged each year statewide, I'm thinking this is a non factor as well.

Return on investment? How about the continued revenue generated by the permits people purchase to hunt these areas, which will dry up if this BS is allowed to continue and people stop wanting to waste money applying.

So you think WDFW wont lose revenue by locking the mountains up? Just a question. Your slander on sleds in the entiat is a bunch of BS also! I would like to see your evidence on that comment. Your starting to sound like a liberal olympian. .

If they locked the gates from Dec. 1 to April 1 they are not going to lose revenue, no. As far as the sleds go, I have seen it myself while up taking pictures, thats all the evidence I need.

[DBLDWN]

Thanks for the in depth thought sky but I don't believe this would have any impact on the issue at hand. Please read the original post again and I think you will understand the issue.

I know what your original post said, but you have to generate revenue some how to pay for it. I have gone to the annual meetings in Olympia. Whenever an idea is presented, the department always goes back to ROI plan (return on investment). They want to see a cause and effect plan for everything. Your suggestion is to lock the gates or open the main line and barricade the non-main roads.

How are they going to pay for the baricades?
The labor to open and close the gates everytime somebody needs in?
Repair costs when some jerk damages a gate?
Signs on the roadway?

All these cost add up and have to be accounted for. So I am suggesting a way to pay for it.

Most of the gates are already in place, they just need to be swung shut and locked. Signs at the gates prohibiting motorized vehicles when gates are locked could be paid for with the same money that pays for our WDFW officers to go up in there all the time responding to phone calls. I would imagine a minimal one time cost. How many gates are damaged each year statewide, I'm thinking this is a non factor as well.

Return on investment? How about the continued revenue generated by the permits people purchase to hunt these areas, which will dry up if this BS is allowed to continue and people stop wanting to waste money applying.

So you think WDFW wont lose revenue by locking the mountains up? Just a question. Your slander on sleds in the entiat is a bunch of BS also! I would like to see your evidence on that comment. Your starting to sound like a liberal olympian. .

If they locked the gates from Dec. 1 to April 1 they are not going to lose revenue, no. As far as the sleds go, I have seen it myself while up taking pictures, thats all the evidence I need.

So you had a camera, Did you take a picture of this happening? I would really like to see one.

[huntnphool]

It happens all over up in there, and when there isn't enough snow its birt bikes, mostly guys looking for sheds that time of year. I see it every year, guys on sleds or dirt bikes tearing up Mud, Crum and Steliko not caring about running the deer in every direction, all in the name of shed hunting.

[DBLDWN]

DB-Who is your post directed to? I'm assuming not me, as I said nothing about locking up mtns or sleding. I think your in left field on this one...

Not directed towards you.