Lock The Gates

[PlateauNDN]

Poaching on one end and overharvesting of another.

I'm assuming the poaching is the locals, who feel like the deer are THEIR DEER. And the over harvesting must be natives taking advantage of the system. Why doesn't the game department setup cameras to monitor what is going on? And why doesn't the tribe work with them to monitor the over harvesting. Perhaps they work together and patrol the area to discourage poaching and over harvesting. If you lock the gates, then it gives all the more reason for someone to go back there and feel protected from getting caught. All they are going to do is hike in, take apack, shoot what they want, bone it out, and use a cell phone to call for a ride back.

It's going to take a lot of documented evidence for some type of change from one end and without documentation/credible proof it's all just hearsay (not my words).  I think we need to start some where for the survival and continued enjoyment of the natural resources and I'd love to see it come in my life time.

As far as poachers, seeing somebody coming out like that would be suspicious and there would be those that got away but it would not be as bad as it is now.  And I don't know if poachers would go to that extent, i'm not saying they would but, I don't think they would?

[Harborhunter]

Boy how good of a hunt would that be if it was locked up to everyone through all seasons??   Lock it up early and for everyone. 

[bobcat]

I could see outfitters profiting off this if it ever happened.

I'd for sure be paying an outfitter for a drop camp 10-15 miles in.

[huntnphool]

I could see outfitters profiting off this if it ever happened.

I'd for sure be paying an outfitter for a drop camp 10-15 miles in.

Nothing wrong with that Bob, just no vehicles.

[Jingles]

First off USFS, DNR and State land is PUBLIC property and should be accessible to the public year round without any damn Discovery pass, access permit, or FS permit. So no they should not lock/ install gates or tank traps on historic roads ( roads that have been in place for in excess of 20 or 30 years)
To curb the number of animals being poached they need to really HAMMER the persons that are doing it when caught.
All these early and late season permits need to be put into a general pool and forget em extend the seasons for everyone instead of just for those that have the money to afford them, why have a 9 day general season and then extend it 2 weeks for a select few just make the season 21 days for everyone and the hunter decides when he/ she wants to hunt
Do away with a hunter having to make a choice which type of hunting he wants to do Archery, Muzzie or Modern. You buy a tag and it allows you to hunt with the weapon of your choice. If you go out during archery season and get a deer your hunting is over, if you aren't successful you get another chance during general and if you still want to use archery equipment nothing is stopping you. With the improvements of "muzzleloaders now they should fall into the general/ modern firearms category.
Do away with the trophy permits also seeing as how that season is after the general season and during the "rut" you want a trophy get out and find one instead of having a special season that excludes the majority of the population.
Basically put everyone on a level playing field for the real wall hangers
Just my

[PlateauNDN]

Like I mentioned, 1 main rd through the unit away from the wintering grounds and gated/barricaded roads that lead off of it.

[MountainWalk]

    To Jingles idea.

[huntnphool]

First off USFS, DNR and State land is PUBLIC property and should be accessible to the public year round without any damn Discovery pass, access permit, or FS permit. So no they should not lock/ install gates or tank raps on historic roads ( roads that have been in place for in excess of 20 or 30 years)
To curb the number of animals being poached they need to really HAMMER the persons that are doing it when caught.
All these early and late season permits need to be put into a general pool and forget em extend the seasons for everyone instead of just for those that have the money to afford them, why have a 9 day general season and then extend it 2 weeks for a select few just make the season 21 days for everyone and the hunter decides when he/ she wants to hunt
Do away with a hunter having to make a choice which type of hunting he wants to do Archery, Muzzie or Modern. You buy a tag and it allows you to hunt with the weapon of your choice. If you go out during archery season and get a deer your hunting is over, if you aren't successful you get another chance during general and if you still want to use archery equipment nothing is stopping you. With the improvements of "muzzleloaders now they should fall into the general/ modern firearms category.
Do away with the trophy permits also seeing as how that season is after the general season and during the "rut" you want a trophy get out and find one instead of having a special season that excludes the majority of the population.
Basically put everyone on a level playing field for the real wall hangers
Just my

Problem is there is one user group that have no rules and can't be touched. Only way to keep most of them from abusing the resource is to lock it down for everyone's vehicles. If you want to hunt it, then walk or ride.

[huntnphool]

Like I mentioned, 1 main rd through the unit away from the wintering grounds and gated/barricaded roads that lead off of it.

I think that would work well.

[bobcat]

Another issue is you can't do this to just one unit. The other adjacent units would then end up being over hunted.

Which the problem then becomes, where does the money come from, for all these new gates.

[Jingles]

Problem is there is one user group that have no rules and can't be touched. Only way to keep most of them from abusing the resource is to lock it down for everyone's vehicles. If you want to hunt it, then walk or ride.

If you're talking about the user group I think you are that can be solved very easily the only time they can hunt outside the state hunting times is if they are on the res.. if Off the res they are poaching

[PlateauNDN]

Problem is there is one user group that have no rules and can't be touched. Only way to keep most of them from abusing the resource is to lock it down for everyone's vehicles. If you want to hunt it, then walk or ride.

If you're talking about the user group I think you are that can be solved very easily the only time they can hunt outside the state hunting times is if they are on the res.. if Off the res they are poaching
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Not going to happen.  That's why I suggested 1 main road through the unit.

Another issue is you can't do this to just one unit. The other adjacent units would then end up being over hunted.

Which the problem then becomes, where does the money come from, for all these new gates.

Discover Pass?  Sorry, I couldn't help it.

[huntnphool]

Problem is there is one user group that have no rules and can't be touched. Only way to keep most of them from abusing the resource is to lock it down for everyone's vehicles. If you want to hunt it, then walk or ride.

the only time they can hunt outside the state hunting times is if they are on the res.. if Off the res they are poaching

You sure have not been paying attention.

[CAMPMEAT]

What makes you able bodied hunters so special ? I can't hike at all. They should give ALL disabled hunters access to YOUR locked gates and allow us NON able bodied hunters to ride our ATVs behind ALL locked gates. . We get the worst areas to hunt that are supposed to be an area where we will have a good chance to get that deer or elk, or whatever the WDFW allows us to hunt. Stop your whining, you guys aren't special in my book, just a bunch of cry babies.

[Houndhunter]

We have enough gates in this state as it is, last thing we need is more