Lock The Gates

[huntnphool]

Remember guys, I'm talking about a very small area of the overall hunting area in the state, it wouldn't even effect but a small portion of hunters in the state but could help one of the most abused heards.

[whacker1]

phool - I think you are missing the point.  our state already bends over backwards to the tribes, and so much so that in many areas of the state, the tribes have keys and are the only ones allowed in.  So if it is the tribes you want to keep out, that is not the solution.  I don't have the solution, but wanted to make that point very clear.

Are you telling me that if the state locked these areas they would have to give the tribes keys? Where is your info coming from.

Other areas, where tribes is given keys.  I don't know how they get them, which tribes are allowed access, or why, but I am sure it differs for every tribe and who the property owner is.  I will see if I can get some details on the areas, but these types of things have gone on in different parts of the state for years.  It always seemed like it was specific to public ground vs. private timber company ground.  Sorry , I don't have specifics, but I haven't been in those areas for a very long time.

[Black Ghost]

alternate option: make the whole season permit only.. limit the # of hunters overall... No gates, but control the # of hunters. 

[DBLDWN]

Same song and dance every year, nothing is going to change! I see the same rig same individuals head up the valley past my house to the imediate winter range and kill a truck load of deer and drive out. I had a late archery chiwawa tag this year and watched the same rig shoot two bucks off the road with a rifle when we were hunting, same happens in the entiat unit time and time again. I guess my questions are: how many rutted out deer can a person  eat? Whens enough enough? And do they honestly feel they are not abusing their rights? Locking gates isnt going to solve the problem, just compound it. In my opinion
if the tribes use ancestry rights to subsistance hunt, then they should hunt like their ancesters did with a long bow and a horse. The way the deer herd looks now, if it keeps going like its going the deer herd will be next to nothing in a year or two. Maybe thats the plan?

Okay so what is a viable plan? Closing these areas down to "no motorized vehicles" won't help......really?

 Bitching and complaining is useless unless you can come up with a solution. It kills me that some of you guys whine about this and that, yet when someone suggests something all you do is try to rationalize why it won't work, why it shouldn't be done. Why cant you, Bobcat and others look for reasons or ways that it would work or alternative solutions?

 Few here would argue that there isn't a problem in a few of these areas, so why do most sit back and accept it, why not look for solution rather than sitting back and doing nothing except complaining.

Whos bitching and complaining? I have spent hours looking into this subject phool and your only logical plan is to lock the gates? We are only one user group, thousands of people pay their taxes, buy their access passess and every other pass a person needs to access and use state and forest service lands. What about law suits by the tribes for locking gates that give them access to their "ancestrial hunting grounds" in wich have never been locked before? Its alot deeper then locking gates! Who is sitting back and accepting it? When you come up with a logical solution im all ears! I have lost sleep over this crap and everything i have looked into has been a dead end. I do know that the FS will lock roads if they are deamed unsafe for the public. Maybe thats the angle needed. Not sure what the solution is bud.

[Ridgeratt]

alternate option: make the whole season permit only.. limit the # of hunters overall... No gates, but control the # of hunters.

Look I have a can of gas and a book of matches as well! 

Throw in a 3 point restriction straight across the state for all deer and do away with Sunday hunting to give the herds a break.

13 States now have no hunting on Sunday.

[bobcat]

I agree, Bobcat and whacker1, where's your proof to back up this theory?

I don't have proof and it's not my theory. It's not the first time I've heard of It though.

If this is something we were going to try to push for, we would want to be sure that keys wouldn't be handed out to certain groups of people.

[kentrek]

alternate option: make the whole season permit only.. limit the # of hunters overall... No gates, but control the # of hunters.

 and do away with Sunday hunting to give the herds a break.

13 States now have no hunting on Sunday.

thats not gona fly..weekend hunters  only get half the time to hunt people would stop hunting

 

i think the best idea has still been lock the gates and maybe keep the main rds open

[huntnphool]

alternate option: make the whole season permit only.. limit the # of hunters overall... No gates, but control the # of hunters.

LOL, sorry BG but this suggestion does nothing to address the issue.

[huntnphool]

Same song and dance every year, nothing is going to change! I see the same rig same individuals head up the valley past my house to the imediate winter range and kill a truck load of deer and drive out. I had a late archery chiwawa tag this year and watched the same rig shoot two bucks off the road with a rifle when we were hunting, same happens in the entiat unit time and time again. I guess my questions are: how many rutted out deer can a person  eat? Whens enough enough? And do they honestly feel they are not abusing their rights? Locking gates isnt going to solve the problem, just compound it. In my opinion
if the tribes use ancestry rights to subsistance hunt, then they should hunt like their ancesters did with a long bow and a horse. The way the deer herd looks now, if it keeps going like its going the deer herd will be next to nothing in a year or two. Maybe thats the plan?

Okay so what is a viable plan? Closing these areas down to "no motorized vehicles" won't help......really?

 Bitching and complaining is useless unless you can come up with a solution. It kills me that some of you guys whine about this and that, yet when someone suggests something all you do is try to rationalize why it won't work, why it shouldn't be done. Why cant you, Bobcat and others look for reasons or ways that it would work or alternative solutions?

 Few here would argue that there isn't a problem in a few of these areas, so why do most sit back and accept it, why not look for solution rather than sitting back and doing nothing except complaining.

  We are only one user group, thousands of people pay their taxes, buy their access passess and every other pass a person needs to access and use state and forest service lands.

They can still access, they just couldn't drive through it.

What about law suits by the tribes for locking gates that give them access to their "ancestrial hunting grounds" in wich have never been locked before?

Some were locked earlier this year, where are the law suits?

[Ridgeratt]

alternate option: make the whole season permit only.. limit the # of hunters overall... No gates, but control the # of hunters.

 and do away with Sunday hunting to give the herds a break.

13 States now have no hunting on Sunday.

thats not gona fly..weekend hunters  only get half the time to hunt people would stop hunting

 

i think the best idea has still been lock the gates and maybe keep the main rds open

Well it must work since these states also have half time hunters

http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/env-res/state-sunday-hunting-ban-statutes.aspx

[kentrek]

alternate option: make the whole season permit only.. limit the # of hunters overall... No gates, but control the # of hunters.

 and do away with Sunday hunting to give the herds a break.

13 States now have no hunting on Sunday.

thats not gona fly..weekend hunters  only get half the time to hunt people would stop hunting

 

i think the best idea has still been lock the gates and maybe keep the main rds open

Well it must work since these states also have half time hunters

http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/env-res/state-sunday-hunting-ban-statutes.aspx

no.."no sunday hunting" is only going to increase poaching,cut hunter numbers down,and make the religious happy..it wont solve any of the problems that a related to the main post 

[bobcat]

No hunting on Sunday is a ridiculous idea. The states that have that rule have been trying to do away with it. They did it that way originally because they expected everyone in church on Sunday, not out hunting. Well nowadays people want to hunt, not go sit in church. If you want everyone to have a day off, I vote for Wednesday.

[Ridgeratt]

Like I posted I have a can of gas and a new book of Matches!!!

If the gates are locked it just might keep the poachers out.
Perhaps it will cut hunter numbers,

 It should make are Christian friends on here Ecstatic.

 It would relieve the pressure on the herds by a bit.
Yes it would solve the problems related to the main post since it would also put less hunter's in the field which will allow the deer herds to rebuild. Since along with my proposal is a 3 point restriction State wide.

[bobcat]

Like I posted I have a can of gas and a new book of Matches!!!

Just a quick question- what are the gas and matches for?   

[Ridgeratt]

Like I posted I have a can of gas and a new book of Matches!!!

Just a quick question- what are the gas and matches for?   

Just starting a fire. Figure of speech.
to see what kind of response this gets