Lock The Gates

[CAMPMEAT]

Like I posted I have a can of gas and a new book of Matches!!!

Just a quick question- what are the gas and matches for?   

Just starting a fire. Figure of speech.
to see what kind of response this gets

I thought it was for the lost greenies to get rescued by............

[huntnphool]

Like I posted I have a can of gas and a new book of Matches!!!

Just a quick question- what are the gas and matches for?   

Just starting a fire. Figure of speech.
to see what kind of response this gets

I thought it was for the lost greenies to get rescued by............

[Ridgeratt]

Why wouldn't it work anyway?

Your turn.

[CAMPMEAT]

Why wouldn't it work anyway?

Your turn.

You know you could trade a gallon of gas for a roll in sack in the back of the Subaru with a hairy hippie chick........

[Ridgeratt]

I have no business in Curlew!!   

Not really sure I want to trade any gas on the west side either. thats a scary/creepy topic.

[CAMPMEAT]

I have no business in Curlew!!   

Not really sure I want to trade any gas on the west side either. thats a scary/creepy topic.

..................too many hippies chicks, or too many Subaru's ?

[huntnphool]

  I have spent hours looking into this subject phool

I'm all ears Dbldwn, rather than complaining lets hear what you came up with while spending hours looking into this. How about some letters or emails you sent or recieved. Go ahead............I can wait.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I grew up in a state that has no hunting on Sunday ...that just uks ....alot of people have to work , ya know ern a living  and weekends are what those hunters count on ...I do not agree with no hunting on Sunday .. Living where I was used to roaming the hills freely and now everything is locked up tighter than a mouses arz is just BS ...it is pretty bad you can not take your wife and kids for a ride to look for widlife and enjoy the outdoors ..This is just not right ! Now about the tribes having keys ...this is what is going on where I live ...the tribes have keys to enter gates I can not and what gets me is that some of the land is state land and some of it is private ...Go figure ...This is a fact !  if they had to walk 10 miles to go where I want to then i would have no problem at all ..Make it the same rules for everyone ...Period ...but we all know that will never happen !

O.K I LEFT AGAIN  Eagles 13 bengals 10  in a state that does not allow hunting on Sunday too !!!!

[3nails]

 I'm just stunned how a few on here can turn any thread into Christian bashing. During hunting season my church is in the mountains on Sundays. It would not make me happy (being "religeous") to have that day closed to hunting, thank you.
 

[huntnphool]

it is pretty bad you can not take your wife and kids for a ride to look for widlife and enjoy the outdoors ..This is just not right !

LOL, I'd be willing to bet that you have never taken your wife and kids up into Oklahoma to just look at wildlife and enjoy the outdoors.

[antlerking]

Closing the gates will not work, expecially up oklahoma and stiliko and every were else up there! The natives have the right to ask for the keys and if they ask the forest service has to accomidate that request. It might discourage a few, but they have the right to go beyound a gate on a public road, if it is a road that is established and used through out the year. That is how i understand it. It has been brought up before and I beleive last year during early shed season, a certain road was gated but they still manage to open the gate and drive on up to get there road hunting done.  I know as of the 1st the roads will be closed again until later on.  But the little ribbion tape accross the head of oklahoma does not stop anyone!

[huntnphool]

The natives have the right to ask for the keys and if they ask the forest service has to accomidate that request.

If the state closes a public road indians are not exempt from abiding by the law.

[DBLDWN]

Same song and dance every year, nothing is going to change! I see the same rig same individuals head up the valley past my house to the imediate winter range and kill a truck load of deer and drive out. I had a late archery chiwawa tag this year and watched the same rig shoot two bucks off the road with a rifle when we were hunting, same happens in the entiat unit time and time again. I guess my questions are: how many rutted out deer can a person  eat? Whens enough enough? And do they honestly feel they are not abusing their rights? Locking gates isnt going to solve the problem, just compound it. In my opinion
if the tribes use ancestry rights to subsistance hunt, then they should hunt like their ancesters did with a long bow and a horse. The way the deer herd looks now, if it keeps going like its going the deer herd will be next to nothing in a year or two. Maybe thats the plan?

Okay so what is a viable plan? Closing these areas down to "no motorized vehicles" won't help......really?

 Bitching and complaining is useless unless you can come up with a solution. It kills me that some of you guys whine about this and that, yet when someone suggests something all you do is try to rationalize why it won't work, why it shouldn't be done. Why cant you, Bobcat and others look for reasons or ways that it would work or alternative solutions?

 Few here would argue that there isn't a problem in a few of these areas, so why do most sit back and accept it, why not look for solution rather than sitting back and doing nothing except complaining.

  We are only one user group, thousands of people pay their taxes, buy their access passess and every other pass a person needs to access and use state and forest service lands.

They can still access, they just couldn't drive through it.

What about law suits by the tribes for locking gates that give them access to their "ancestrial hunting grounds" in wich have never been locked before?

Some were locked earlier this year, where are the law suits?

Why were they locked Einstein? possibly fire danger and public safety? Still waiting for a logical solution. This crap is happening in my back yard, and it sucks knowing you cant do a dam thing about it. Tough pill to swallow, but its reality phool! I hope you can find a way like many of us in the valley have tried with no luck.

[bobcat]

What about law suits by the tribes for locking gates that give them access to their "ancestrial hunting grounds" in wich have never been locked before?

This is pretty ridiculous, if true. Before the white man came, did they have roads into all these areas? Or did they walk or ride horses? With the roads gated, they are free to access those lands just as they did in the past- either by horse or by their own 2 feet.

[huntnphool]

Same song and dance every year, nothing is going to change! I see the same rig same individuals head up the valley past my house to the imediate winter range and kill a truck load of deer and drive out. I had a late archery chiwawa tag this year and watched the same rig shoot two bucks off the road with a rifle when we were hunting, same happens in the entiat unit time and time again. I guess my questions are: how many rutted out deer can a person  eat? Whens enough enough? And do they honestly feel they are not abusing their rights? Locking gates isnt going to solve the problem, just compound it. In my opinion
if the tribes use ancestry rights to subsistance hunt, then they should hunt like their ancesters did with a long bow and a horse. The way the deer herd looks now, if it keeps going like its going the deer herd will be next to nothing in a year or two. Maybe thats the plan?

Okay so what is a viable plan? Closing these areas down to "no motorized vehicles" won't help......really?

 Bitching and complaining is useless unless you can come up with a solution. It kills me that some of you guys whine about this and that, yet when someone suggests something all you do is try to rationalize why it won't work, why it shouldn't be done. Why cant you, Bobcat and others look for reasons or ways that it would work or alternative solutions?

 Few here would argue that there isn't a problem in a few of these areas, so why do most sit back and accept it, why not look for solution rather than sitting back and doing nothing except complaining.

  We are only one user group, thousands of people pay their taxes, buy their access passess and every other pass a person needs to access and use state and forest service lands.

They can still access, they just couldn't drive through it.

What about law suits by the tribes for locking gates that give them access to their "ancestrial hunting grounds" in wich have never been locked before?

Some were locked earlier this year, where are the law suits?

Why were they locked Einstein? possibly fire danger and public safety? Still waiting for a logical solution. This crap is happening in my back yard, and it sucks knowing you cant do a dam thing about it. Tough pill to swallow, but its reality phool! I hope you can find a way like many of us in the valley have tried with no luck.

LOL, just like I said, whining and complaining without contibuting a suggestion, at least I'm trying and not crying.