Entiat slaughter??

[jackelope]

I posted a legitimate question about getting the ball rolling on the "Lock the Gates" thread, but since nobody has answered it there, I'll ask here.

What do we need to do, as a group of concerned citizens or as individuals, to get the ball rolling more than just on the pages of a forum? Who do we need to contact and with what information/proposal? WDFW? The Yakama Nation? Mule Deer Foundation? News media across the state? Other wildlife organizations?

As an English teacher, I'd gladly offer my services to help revise/edit a blanket letter that HuntWA could send as a group with signatures attached, or that each of us can send to the parties it needs sent to. I don't have the means to donate money to a cause, but I can give my time.

MDF is out of the loop.

 We are aware of the situation that is happening in central Washington. Unfortunately there is nothing that we are able to do. This lies with the Federal Government and they will dictate what will happen. We understand the concern of the hunters in Washington and wish we could do more.

Thank you for reaching out to us and expressing your concern. Please continue to "fight the good fight" and talk to your local officials and representatives, to see if there is anything more you can do. We hope that you will always retain your love for mule deer and conservation. We need people like you out there.

Please keep us posted if anything new comes up.

[eastsidewa]

just a question for lil red and time and any other native Americans following this post.. how much does any one family need to sustain for the winter? i have a family of five and we are hard pressed to eat an elk and deer if I'm lucky enough to harvest both in one season. and why not share harvest info with wdfw to sustain herds for future of all. why not have a  season set for your user group. and limit your late season harvest while deer are breeding and wintering. trying not to bash anyone just questions.i teach my kids its not a right to hunt, but a privilege... maybe i can get a legit answer, maybe not!

[huntnphool]

I posted a legitimate question about getting the ball rolling on the "Lock the Gates" thread, but since nobody has answered it there, I'll ask here.

Its been answered a couple times, have you been reading the posts? I know I answered a couple times myself, post #311 for example.

[jstone]

I am sure once he saw this being posted he ran up to the entiat and or swakane and killed some more deer, just to piss people off. He doesn't care about the resource, some Ignorant natives are trying to get back at something some Ignorant white people did a long long time ago. just like when a family member keeps picking on you cause he thinks its funny and cool. WELL YOUR NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some people need to get over the past. Everyone can make thinks better in life just have to try to do right. No matter who it is. Come on wake the F up

[cougarbart]

wow some pretty good comments i believe!  PLEASE READ!!  the chances of getting tribal hunting stopped is probably not going to happen!  The tribe won a high court case that gives that right!  what can be done and i am not saying it will work but ive seen it work before, my suggestions is asking washingtons for wildlife to bring solid solutions to the wdfw which can then be presented to yakima tribe and forest service!  is this a long shot probably but if you can get the ear of the wdfw theres usually deals that can be done with the tribe!  I heard this exact same thing about ferry and okanogan counties in the 80's and 90's but with road closures and deals with the tribe i believe something can be done!  On a couple side notes idaho300 i hear the same thing in idahos pride and joy unit 11!  nez perce tribe has dotted land thru the unit and have loose seasons and bag limits, yet there is still good hunting in that unit!  Eastside i bet easily a family of four on the reservation will consume 3 elk and 5 deer and thats if they don't have the rest of their family over!  but like some make jerky out of 2 deer share with family and work and i bet it don't last two weeks!

[Coastal_native]

just a question for lil red and time and any other native Americans following this post.. how much does any one family need to sustain for the winter? i have a family of five and we are hard pressed to eat an elk and deer if I'm lucky enough to harvest both in one season. and why not share harvest info with wdfw to sustain herds for future of all. why not have a  season set for your user group. and limit your late season harvest while deer are breeding and wintering. trying not to bash anyone just questions.i teach my kids its not a right to hunt, but a privilege... maybe i can get a legit answer, maybe not!

Family of 3.  1 deer and 1 elk typically.  That would include giving a pack or two away to extended family from time to time as well as using some for larger gatherings.  Our bag limits are on a per househeld basis which causes challenges at times as they may be innadequate or liberal depending on the household.  keep in mind the typical indian household is often much more complex than the majority society as it may be comprised of aunts, uncles, grand parents, adopted kids, homeless kids or extended familiy, etc... On average our per household allowable tags are probably less than what can legally be obtained through the state and although our season is typically 6 months long, you'll only find us hunting off Rez for about 3 of those months because we try to avoid the massacre that takes place from September through mid December.

We do all of the above you mentioned.  Although not all follow it, the fundamental principal of our regulations are "take only what u need to survive physically and spiritually"  We also have a regulated designated hunter program that I participate in at times.  This program gets abused by some, but we're working on cleaning it up.

[huntnphool]

"take only what u need to survive physically and spiritually"
This program gets abused by some, but we're working on cleaning it up.

And thats really all thats being asked of the Yakima's.

[cougarbart]

and by working hard and within reasonable request huntinfool i really believe it will change! it won't be completely eliminated but neither are certain thing in any unit, but controlled enuff to benefit both parties! But like most if im attacked verbally because of something i can do it would be hard to listen to to reasons i should give something up!

[sled]

just a question for lil red and time and any other native Americans following this post.. how much does any one family need to sustain for the winter? i have a family of five and we are hard pressed to eat an elk and deer if I'm lucky enough to harvest both in one season. and why not share harvest info with wdfw to sustain herds for future of all. why not have a  season set for your user group. and limit your late season harvest while deer are breeding and wintering. trying not to bash anyone just questions.i teach my kids its not a right to hunt, but a privilege... maybe i can get a legit answer, maybe not!

Family of 3.  1 deer and 1 elk typically.  That would include giving a pack or two away to extended family from time to time as well as using some for larger gatherings.  Our bag limits are on a per househeld basis which causes challenges at times as they may be innadequate or liberal depending on the household.  keep in mind the typical indian household is often much more complex than the majority society as it may be comprised of aunts, uncles, grand parents, adopted kids, homeless kids or extended familiy, etc... On average our per household allowable tags are probably less than what can legally be obtained through the state and although our season is typically 6 months long, you'll only find us hunting off Rez for about 3 of those months because we try to avoid the massacre that takes place from September through mid December.

We do all of the above you mentioned.  Although not all follow it, the fundamental principal of our regulations are "take only what u need to survive physically and spiritually"  We also have a regulated designated hunter program that I participate in at times.  This program gets abused by some, but we're working on cleaning it up.

  you don't think that non natives have extended families?  What proof do you have of (trying to clean it up)?  Other people buy meat after they eat their 1 deer or elk they harvest if they are lucky enough to get one. Maybe natives should think about trying that.

[Coastal_native]

I don't think you understood the content or context of my post.  I'm not a Yakima, just thought I'd put in a plug for my tribe in response to his questions.  Thanks for reminding me why I stopped posting on here. 

[cougarbart]

sled take the emotion out of it!  There are many including me and maybe you that if we had the opportunity to not have to buy store bought meat we wouldn't! but because of our status we do, are you really that upset to have to buy meat?

[sled]

sled take the emotion out of it!  There are many including me and maybe you that if we had the opportunity to not have to buy store bought meat we wouldn't! but because of our status we do, are you really that upset to have to buy meat?

  no.  IM sick of hearing excuses for the abuse of the resources.  Sorry about the emotion.

[JimmyHoffa]

I can say that in other states with large bag limits, it is entirely possible for a family of 4 or 5 to consume 10 deer, 2 elk sized exotics, lots of rabbits/ducks/other birds and a couple wild hogs within a year.  You can have all kinds of sausages, jerky and a variety of cuts of meat...eaten at multiple meals a day.  I think a normal sized adult can eat a deer over 2 months.  If a family is eating only one deer and elk over a year, my opinion is they aren't using the meat in every meal or are supplementing with other meat anyways.

[grundy53]

 

sled take the emotion out of it!  There are many including me and maybe you that if we had the opportunity to not have to buy store bought meat we wouldn't! but because of our status we do, are you really that upset to have to buy meat?

  no.  IM sick of hearing excuses for the abuse of the resources.  Sorry about the emotion.

[grundy53]

I can say that in other states with large bag limits, it is entirely possible for a family of 4 or 5 to consume 10 deer, 2 elk sized exotics, lots of rabbits/ducks/other birds and a couple wild hogs within a year.  You can have all kinds of sausages, jerky and a variety of cuts of meat...eaten at multiple meals a day.  I think a normal sized adult can eat a deer over 2 months.  If a family is eating only one deer and elk over a year, my opinion is they aren't using the meat in every meal or are supplementing with other meat anyways.

The question is not if the family can eat all of the meat but whether the herd can withstand the over harvest.... I believe the answer is no. Unlike other states our deer numbers cannot sustain that kind of harvest. I would love to eat deer and elk everyday but I won't do that at the expense of the deer and elk herds....