Entiat slaughter??

[MountainWalk]

Well, you always seem to be pointing out others faults and others problems. Just assumed you'd be able to.                And I can't really vouch for WDFW as far as doing a "good" job.

[JimmyHoffa]

Most of the herd health consideration I read about for buck to doe ratio is for genetic variance and buck health pre and during the rut.  So, that bucks don't kill themselves looking for every available doe in an extended rut, leaving unbred does or late drop fawns.  The indians it sounds like are at least waiting post rut for hunting.  As long as the next crops of fawns and smaller bucks are genetically linked to the migrators, then the herd health should be fine.  Hunting all the big bucks pre and during the rut in large numbers is what should hurt herd health.  Is that how anyone else has understood it?

[MountainWalk]

 

[cougarbart]

 

[grundy53]

You guys are totally right. They should kill every big buck they see. 

[MountainWalk]

Hell, all this talk about Entiat makes me curious about the place. Kinda country is it?

[huntnphool]

Most of the herd health consideration I read about for buck to doe ratio is for genetic variance and buck health pre and during the rut.  So, that bucks don't kill themselves looking for every available doe in an extended rut, leaving unbred does or late drop fawns.  The indians it sounds like are at least waiting post rut for hunting.  As long as the next crops of fawns and smaller bucks are genetically linked to the migrators, then the herd health should be fine.  Hunting all the big bucks pre and during the rut in large numbers is what should hurt herd health.  Is that how anyone else has understood it?

Except the bucks continue to rut in December, does that are not bred during the first estrus often times do again later.

[MountainWalk]

Well, if so many bucks are getting dropped after the main rut, seems like a doe doesn't have that much of a hard time getting bred.     Grundy, if I recall correctly, didn't you say that there were 17 in your party? And 13 bulls killed? That's an awful lot of bull killing for one camp. How is your herd doing?

[Limhangerslayer]

Natives wait til post rut?   

[grundy53]

Hell, all this talk about Entiat makes me curious about the place. Kinda country is it?

It's a magical place where there are thousands of booner bucks frolicking all over the countryside. There are simply too many of them. You should actually go check the place out so you actually have a clue about what you are talking about...

[grundy53]

Well, if so many bucks are getting dropped after the main rut, seems like a doe doesn't have that much of a hard time getting bred.     Grundy, if I recall correctly, didn't you say that there were 17 in your party? And 13 bulls killed? That's an awful lot of bull killing for one camp. How is your herd doing?

It's doing great. We actually harvested 12 which is less then one bull per hunter. Not multiple bulls per hunter....

[huntnphool]

Well, if so many bucks are getting dropped after the main rut, seems like a doe doesn't have that much of a hard time getting bred.     Grundy, if I recall correctly, didn't you say that there were 17 in your party? And 13 bulls killed? That's an awful lot of bull killing for one camp. How is your herd doing?

The difference here Mountainwalk is they are accounted for and have harvest limits set accordingly.

 Its obvious you have no problem with whats happening in Entiat and Swakane, you seem to be arguing the indians point to exhaustion, why not just come out and say it?

[MountainWalk]

A magical place where there are thousands of booner bucks frolicking all over the countryside! THAT is funny!

[grundy53]

Well, if so many bucks are getting dropped after the main rut, seems like a doe doesn't have that much of a hard time getting bred.     Grundy, if I recall correctly, didn't you say that there were 17 in your party? And 13 bulls killed? That's an awful lot of bull killing for one camp. How is your herd doing?

The difference here Mountainwalk is they are accounted for and have harvest limits set accordingly.

 Its obvious you have no problem with whats happening in Entiat and Swakane, you seem to be arguing the indians point to exhaustion, why not just come out and say it?

For one he has NO clue what is actually going on over there...

[JimmyHoffa]

Except the bucks continue to rut in December, does that are not bred during the first estrus often times do again later.

And some even later, but not a large majority.  If they enter into the winter grounds at a near ideal ratio, then a few of the bucks are still on doe booty duty, but not like it would be if a large amount of does went unbred (usually by the inexperienced bucks).
But if this happens every year for 20 years, and non-tribal and tribal hunters get large amounts of impressive bucks; then shouldn't they have dwindled the herd by now?  It's roughly the same number of bucks being pulled out each year?