Entiat slaughter??

[huntnphool]

Except the bucks continue to rut in December, does that are not bred during the first estrus often times do again later.

And some even later, but a large majority.  If they enter into the winter grounds at a near ideal ratio, then a few of the bucks are still on doe booty duty, but not like it would be if a large amount of does went unbred (usually by the inexperienced bucks).
But if this happens every year for 20 years, and non-tribal and tribal hunters get large amounts of impressive bucks; then shouldn't they have dwindled the herd by now?  It's roughly the same number of bucks being pulled out each year?

No its not, and the reduction in tags and shortened season shows it.

[MountainWalk]

I'll never take a "real" side to it..  Indians been hunting and killing for thousands of years. And will continue to do so. Don't see why folks can't grasp it. Besides, I just don't like it when folks all dogpile one or two people and even stretching to covert racism. Just seems like lots of folks have sour grapes they can't do the same.

[huntnphool]

I'll never take a "real" side to it..  Indians been hunting and killing for thousands of years. And will continue to do so. Don't see why folks can't grasp it. Besides, I just don't like it when folks all dogpile one or two people and even stretching to covert racism. Just seems like lots of folks have sour grapes they can't do the same.

Fair enough but its not sustainable at the current pace.

[Coastal_native]

Well, if so many bucks are getting dropped after the main rut, seems like a doe doesn't have that much of a hard time getting bred.     Grundy, if I recall correctly, didn't you say that there were 17 in your party? And 13 bulls killed? That's an awful lot of bull killing for one camp. How is your herd doing?

The difference here Mountainwalk is they are accounted for and have harvest limits set accordingly.

 Its obvious you have no problem with whats happening in Entiat and Swakane, you seem to be arguing the indians point to exhaustion, why not just come out and say it?

Not to be inflammatory, but there are infinite over the counter bull and buck tags available in most areas here in western Washington.  Where are the harvest limits in that management regime?  There are areas over here that can have every branched bull shot out just as Long as we keep most of those spikes alive until the end of the following September so they can breed as rag horns. That's how a party of 17 can shoot 12 elk from "managed" herds.

[cougarbart]

whats not sustainable the herd or the trophy bucks? thats why having a trophy area would be so much wiser in say lincoln county! 

[huntnphool]

Well, if so many bucks are getting dropped after the main rut, seems like a doe doesn't have that much of a hard time getting bred.     Grundy, if I recall correctly, didn't you say that there were 17 in your party? And 13 bulls killed? That's an awful lot of bull killing for one camp. How is your herd doing?

The difference here Mountainwalk is they are accounted for and have harvest limits set accordingly.

 Its obvious you have no problem with whats happening in Entiat and Swakane, you seem to be arguing the indians point to exhaustion, why not just come out and say it?

Not to be inflammatory, but there are infinite over the counter bull and buck tags available in most areas here in western Washington.  Where are the harvest limits in that management regime?  There are areas over here that can have every branched bull shot out just as Long as we keep most of those spikes alive until the end of the following September so they can breed as rag horns. That's how a party of 17 can shoot 12 elk from "managed" herds.

They manage the harvest with the length of the season, using the previous years harvest percentage to predict the total harvest.

[grundy53]

I'll never take a "real" side to it..  Indians been hunting and killing for thousands of years. And will continue to do so. Don't see why folks can't grasp it. Besides, I just don't like it when folks all dogpile one or two people and even stretching to covert racism. Just seems like lots of folks have sour grapes they can't do the same.

I for one don't have sour grapes. I am disgusted with what goes on. Not jealous. This not what has been going on for thousands of years. They used to be sustenance hunters...

[Time Immemorial]

It wont let me load picture to so you phool

[huntnphool]

whats not sustainable the herd or the trophy bucks?

Both

[grundy53]

whats not sustainable the herd or the trophy bucks? thats why having a trophy area would be so much wiser in say lincoln county!

The herd.

[huntnphool]

It wont let me load picture to so you phool

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You clicked "Attachements and other options"? Then just "browse" for them in your computer.

[grundy53]

Well, if so many bucks are getting dropped after the main rut, seems like a doe doesn't have that much of a hard time getting bred.     Grundy, if I recall correctly, didn't you say that there were 17 in your party? And 13 bulls killed? That's an awful lot of bull killing for one camp. How is your herd doing?

The difference here Mountainwalk is they are accounted for and have harvest limits set accordingly.

 Its obvious you have no problem with whats happening in Entiat and Swakane, you seem to be arguing the indians point to exhaustion, why not just come out and say it?

Not to be inflammatory, but there are infinite over the counter bull and buck tags available in most areas here in western Washington.  Where are the harvest limits in that management regime?  There are areas over here that can have every branched bull shot out just as Long as we keep most of those spikes alive until the end of the following September so they can breed as rag horns. That's how a party of 17 can shoot 12 elk from "managed" herds.

Every three years the game department reviews harvest statistics and sets the dates of the hunts accordingly. There is a reason we only get to hunt with a rifle for 12 days... not 6 months and those 12 days are in November not September or December. Also we are only allowed one elk per person per year....

[curlewkiller]

I am Norwegian, the second race enhabit North America (see Leiv Eiriksson).  

How do you know he is a non-indian?

[MountainWalk]

Eric the Red! Right on!

[sirmissalot]

Well, if so many bucks are getting dropped after the main rut, seems like a doe doesn't have that much of a hard time getting bred.     Grundy, if I recall correctly, didn't you say that there were 17 in your party? And 13 bulls killed? That's an awful lot of bull killing for one camp. How is your herd doing?

The difference here Mountainwalk is they are accounted for and have harvest limits set accordingly.

 Its obvious you have no problem with whats happening in Entiat and Swakane, you seem to be arguing the indians point to exhaustion, why not just come out and say it?

Not to be inflammatory, but there are infinite over the counter bull and buck tags available in most areas here in western Washington.  Where are the harvest limits in that management regime?  There are areas over here that can have every branched bull shot out just as Long as we keep most of those spikes alive until the end of the following September so they can breed as rag horns. That's how a party of 17 can shoot 12 elk from "managed" herds.

Every three years the game department reviews harvest statistics and sets the dates of the hunts accordingly. There is a reason we only get to hunt with a rifle for 12 days... not 6 months and those 12 days are in November not September or December. Also we are only allowed one elk per person per year....

And also can't hunt elk in the rut with a rifle, without a very tough to draw tag.