Entiat slaughter??

[jackelope]

I think it might be time to try to hire Tim Iman (spelling?)  And I think if it was proposed as an initiative to "limit" the killing of vulnerable deer the West side tree hugger gang might support it??

Unfortunately it's not a "west side tree hugger" decision to make. It's a federal thing and Iman has nothing to do with it. Gates with no motorized access is the answer.

[Rainier10]

I agree that gates is probably the best answer as long as no keys are given out but on side note, isn't smoking dope a federal thing and washington state seemed to have passed that?  Maybe not the best option but still an option to do it on the state level and see how the feds react.  For the dope thing they seem to just be turning their heads.

[CAM38]

The Indians have been coddled by our government for to long, they abuse their rights, not only hunting, but fishing, crabbing, and shrimping too.  It's time to stop feeling sorry about what happened over one hundred years ago.  The government needs to disestablish all the reservations and the Indians need to adapt to the way of living in this day and age and follow the same laws as everyone else. I see more of the fishing, crabbing, shrimping abuse as that occurs a lot in my area, granted its bit big game, its just as horrible.  How can the tribes claim they have to eat from the wild and can't afford yo go to the grocery store like the rest of us? Pretty sure these tribes have casinos that provide them with free money just for being a member of the tribe.  The Indians can say what they want, but I can drive to 7 reservations within an hour of me and see first hand their absolute waste of money and  destruction of property.  Reservations are disgusting, Indian rights should be revoked.  Get real jobs and join society.
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[Coastal_native]

Why are you acting as if rewriting the treaty's would be a bad thing?

I'm not acting...

I don't think the treaty reserved anyone the right to slaughter deer on wintering grounds to the degree it's being portrayed.  I don't think the people who are doing it have any concept of treaty rights. 

[Rainier10]

Why are you acting as if rewriting the treaty's would be a bad thing?

I'm not acting...

I don't think the treaty reserved anyone the right to slaughter deer on wintering grounds to the degree it's being portrayed.  I don't think the people who are doing it have any concept of treaty rights.

Amen Coastal.

[Coastal_native]

The Indians have been coddled by our government for to long, they abuse their rights, not only hunting, but fishing, crabbing, and shrimping too.  It's time to stop feeling sorry about what happened over one hundred years ago.  The government needs to disestablish all the reservations and the Indians need to adapt to the way of living in this day and age and follow the same laws as everyone else. I see more of the fishing, crabbing, shrimping abuse as that occurs a lot in my area, granted its bit big game, its just as horrible.  How can the tribes claim they have to eat from the wild and can't afford yo go to the grocery store like the rest of us? Pretty sure these tribes have casinos that provide them with free money just for being a member of the tribe.  The Indians can say what they want, but I can drive to 7 reservations within an hour of me and see first hand their absolute waste of money and  destruction of property.  Reservations are disgusting, Indian rights should be revoked.  Get real jobs and join society.
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"Might have been funny, but please keep from distracting from this thread"

[Rainier10]

The Indians have been coddled by our government for to long, they abuse their rights, not only hunting, but fishing, crabbing, and shrimping too.  It's time to stop feeling sorry about what happened over one hundred years ago.  The government needs to disestablish all the reservations and the Indians need to adapt to the way of living in this day and age and follow the same laws as everyone else. I see more of the fishing, crabbing, shrimping abuse as that occurs a lot in my area, granted its bit big game, its just as horrible.  How can the tribes claim they have to eat from the wild and can't afford yo go to the grocery store like the rest of us? Pretty sure these tribes have casinos that provide them with free money just for being a member of the tribe.  The Indians can say what they want, but I can drive to 7 reservations within an hour of me and see first hand their absolute waste of money and  destruction of property.  Reservations are disgusting, Indian rights should be revoked.  Get real jobs and join society.
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"Might have been funny, but please keep from distracting from this thread"

32 pages in I thought that one might be the one that finally got it locked.  It has been edited a ton and warnings through out to stay on subject, just a matter of time before it gets locked.

[TD]

"I agree that gates is probably the best answer as long as no keys are given out but on side note, isn't smoking dope a federal thing and washington state seemed to have passed that?  Maybe not the best option but still an option to do it on the state level and see how the feds react.  For the dope thing they seem to just be turning their heads."

Amen to all that.  The dope thing is a perfect example.  And as far as it being a state thing, Why don't other state have these problems too?

Also at risk of mixing apples and oranges (again..)
I know the Judge Bolt decision was just for Washington state.

I think we can attack this on state level !! 

[Rainier10]

There is always more than one way to skin a cat and I would say all options are on the table as long as the abuse stops.

I am still amazed that there are this many posts on the subject and so few if any credible pictures of abuse.

[Tbar]

It boggles my mind that so many people want to get media involved. You want to pour fuel on the ''anti'' hunting fire. Have you seen the Entiat in general season? I have hunted there several years, those poor little deer getting run ragged from hill to hill. Is this how I feel? No, however it's pretty easy to paint a negative image of any user group. You bring bleeding heart city people into the hunting community and you are asking for trouble. If you start trying to get a state initiative going you might give some Seattlites the bright idea to limit our opportunity even more. Not saying this is how it will play out but it is some food for thought. 

[CAM38]

You can disagree with me, just my perspective.  No humor.  I think that the abuse of fish and game is very "small picture" for the government, nothing will change until the "big picture" becomes a problem.  Pretty sure earlier in this thread, our welfare system was referred to, which I think that whole thing is garbage to begin with, but seems to me the majority of the tribes live in their own welfare type system.

[MtnMuley]

Its game laws and management that need to be updated not the Treaties.

That was exactly my proposal at the start of these threads, but it's apparent that working with the Nation's leaders is useless, so therefor, I recommend the treaty be re-written to exclude this nonsense killing of animals on their winter range.  That'd sure give enforcement the okay to put a halt to this.

[spin05]

Just open it back up for general archery again till mid-december.  Never saw a native shooting deer there back then. Why???Because there not going to go where a bunch of guys are bow hunting and fire off a gun at the same deer we are hunting. If they do it wont be but a few . I know some guys that if they saw anyone firing a rifle during there hunting season at the same deer we are hunting. They better duck-n-cover.........

[cougarbart]

and just like state laws, the tribe isn't going to change something if there isn't viable evidence that its hurting the resource!  Also remember the tribe isn't concerned about trophy hunting for non members that is the states hunt and rules trying to make it one!  So Plat is wanting evidence and proof that if he goes and suggests restrictions on a right that they won, he darn well better have a good reason other than because a bunch of white people are upset about it! I will tell you this you aren't going to make the tribe do anything so instead ask with a reasonable solution and concern might get alot futher than threatening their rights!

[Rainier10]

and just like state laws, the tribe isn't going to change something if there isn't viable evidence that its hurting the resource!  Also remember the tribe isn't concerned about trophy hunting for non members that is the states hunt and rules trying to make it one!  So Plat is wanting evidence and proof that if he goes and suggests restrictions on a right that they won, he darn well better have a good reason other than because a bunch of white people are upset about it! I will tell you this you aren't going to make the tribe do anything so instead ask with a reasonable solution and concern might get alot futher than threatening their rights!