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Quote from: buckhorn2 on December 21, 2012, 10:47:29 AMNot trying to be argumentative, but I think the "outdated treaty" argument is always made with a lack of understanding. The treaties have essentially been rewritten numerous times over the course of history through court decision, congressional acts, etc... and very seldom (if ever) have these "re-writes" been to the benefit of Indians.
Quote from: TD on December 21, 2012, 01:57:54 PMI think it might be time to try to hire Tim Iman (spelling?) And I think if it was proposed as an initiative to "limit" the killing of vulnerable deer the West side tree hugger gang might support it??Unfortunately it's not a "west side tree hugger" decision to make. It's a federal thing and Iman has nothing to do with it. Gates with no motorized access is the answer.
I think it might be time to try to hire Tim Iman (spelling?) And I think if it was proposed as an initiative to "limit" the killing of vulnerable deer the West side tree hugger gang might support it??
Quote from: jackelope on December 21, 2012, 02:06:10 PMQuote from: TD on December 21, 2012, 01:57:54 PMI think it might be time to try to hire Tim Iman (spelling?) And I think if it was proposed as an initiative to "limit" the killing of vulnerable deer the West side tree hugger gang might support it??Unfortunately it's not a "west side tree hugger" decision to make. It's a federal thing and Iman has nothing to do with it. Gates with no motorized access is the answer.So lock the gates in the Entiat, so then they just go elsewhere and kill off another unlocked area.
Quote from: skywalker253 on December 21, 2012, 04:07:44 PMQuote from: jackelope on December 21, 2012, 02:06:10 PMQuote from: TD on December 21, 2012, 01:57:54 PMI think it might be time to try to hire Tim Iman (spelling?) And I think if it was proposed as an initiative to "limit" the killing of vulnerable deer the West side tree hugger gang might support it??Unfortunately it's not a "west side tree hugger" decision to make. It's a federal thing and Iman has nothing to do with it. Gates with no motorized access is the answer.So lock the gates in the Entiat, so then they just go elsewhere and kill off another unlocked area. Most other wintering areas already are locked and have vehicle bans during that time period.
Quote from: jackelope on December 21, 2012, 02:06:10 PMQuote from: TD on December 21, 2012, 01:57:54 PMI think it might be time to try to hire Tim Iman (spelling?) And I think if it was proposed as an initiative to "limit" the killing of vulnerable deer the West side tree hugger gang might support it??Unfortunately it's not a "west side tree hugger" decision to make. It's a federal thing and Iman has nothing to do with it. Gates with no motorized access is the answer.So lock the gates in the Entiat, so then they just go elsewhere and kill off another unlocked area. That makes some sense, but I don't see this being a longterm solution. Their tribal hunting laws need to be revised. Even then they will probably still abuse the resource and get off in tribal court. Perhaps a combination solutions is the best approach. I think the FEDS should give the state game departments the rights to catch/detain natives offending. Then they are turned over to the tribe for prosecution. Perhaps it is that way now? Not sure?
Quote from: Coastal_native on December 21, 2012, 12:08:02 PMQuote from: buckhorn2 on December 21, 2012, 10:47:29 AMNot trying to be argumentative, but I think the "outdated treaty" argument is always made with a lack of understanding. The treaties have essentially been rewritten numerous times over the course of history through court decision, congressional acts, etc... and very seldom (if ever) have these "re-writes" been to the benefit of Indians. Not all of the treaties have been redone, I believe the Yakima tribe is the only tribe that still has the original treaty intact.
Quote from: huntnphool on December 21, 2012, 03:44:44 PMQuote from: Coastal_native on December 21, 2012, 12:08:02 PMQuote from: buckhorn2 on December 21, 2012, 10:47:29 AMNot trying to be argumentative, but I think the "outdated treaty" argument is always made with a lack of understanding. The treaties have essentially been rewritten numerous times over the course of history through court decision, congressional acts, etc... and very seldom (if ever) have these "re-writes" been to the benefit of Indians. Not all of the treaties have been redone, I believe the Yakima tribe is the only tribe that still has the original treaty intact.I did not mean literally re-wrote. Example: a reservation was set aside for our exclusive use, but through subsequent legislation we don't even own our reservation in its entirety, nor do we have sole jurisdiction. Or, a large portion of our ceded area of which we reserved the right to hunt is now the Olympic national park...which according to court rulings abrogated our treaty right.
The Indians have been coddled by our government for to long, they abuse their rights, not only hunting, but fishing, crabbing, and shrimping too. It's time to stop feeling sorry about what happened over one hundred years ago. The government needs to disestablish all the reservations and the Indians need to adapt to the way of living in this day and age and follow the same laws as everyone else. I see more of the fishing, crabbing, shrimping abuse as that occurs a lot in my area, granted its bit big game, its just as horrible. How can the tribes claim they have to eat from the wild and can't afford yo go to the grocery store like the rest of us? Pretty sure these tribes have casinos that provide them with free money just for being a member of the tribe. The Indians can say what they want, but I can drive to 7 reservations within an hour of me and see first hand their absolute waste of money and destruction of property. Reservations are disgusting, Indian rights should be revoked. Get real jobs and join society. ,
Quote from: skywalker253 on December 21, 2012, 04:07:44 PMQuote from: jackelope on December 21, 2012, 02:06:10 PMQuote from: TD on December 21, 2012, 01:57:54 PMI think it might be time to try to hire Tim Iman (spelling?) And I think if it was proposed as an initiative to "limit" the killing of vulnerable deer the West side tree hugger gang might support it??Unfortunately it's not a "west side tree hugger" decision to make. It's a federal thing and Iman has nothing to do with it. Gates with no motorized access is the answer.So lock the gates in the Entiat, so then they just go elsewhere and kill off another unlocked area. That makes some sense, but I don't see this being a longterm solution. Their tribal hunting laws need to be revised. Even then they will probably still abuse the resource and get off in tribal court. Perhaps a combination solutions is the best approach. I think the FEDS should give the state game departments the rights to catch/detain natives offending. Then they are turned over to the tribe for prosecution. Perhaps it is that way now? Not sure?They aren't doing anything they can be prosecuted for unless they are selling meat or wasting it.
Quote from: PlateauNDN on December 21, 2012, 01:09:32 PMIts game laws and management that need to be updated not the Treaties.Being able to kill whatever you want whenever you want is not ok no matter what. When the treaties were signed, animals were killed strictly for survival purposes. Well that is no longer the case and there has to be some sort of limit and season.
Its game laws and management that need to be updated not the Treaties.
Quote from: Bigtine96 on December 21, 2012, 01:19:46 PMQuote from: PlateauNDN on December 21, 2012, 01:09:32 PMIts game laws and management that need to be updated not the Treaties.Being able to kill whatever you want whenever you want is not ok no matter what. When the treaties were signed, animals were killed strictly for survival purposes. Well that is no longer the case and there has to be some sort of limit and season.We cannot kill whatever we want whenever we want just the facts
Gating is likely a LOT easier solution than trying to change any Treaties. Besides, gating would help with poachers as well, not just native Americans that abuse their system.