Found first shed yesterday .

[huntnnw]

I wake up today and noticed the big 6x5 was back there .. I am watching him in binos and his antler came off.. Pretty cool to see

[h20hunter]

Hmmmm.....didt OG just post yestetday that shed traps are a potential violation? Dont know if i would broadcast it......

[jackelope]

This is the post OG made yesterday. Food for thought if nothing else.


Quote from: bigbullshedhunter on December 06, 2012, 07:44:17 PM

Just wanna get some thoughts on the idea of it. Ain't nothin out there big enough to trap elk antlers. Jst deer

It's not legal, but it is sure creative. So here is your crosswalk.  Under RCW 77.08.010(65) the department defines what it means “to hunt”.......: "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, capture, or harass a wild animal or wild bird.

WAC 232-12-287 states that you can’t possess wildlife found dead and antlers possessed must be naturally shed.  RCW 77.15.410(a) and (b) speaks to illegal hunting in regards to time,  manner and area/closed season.  Bottom line, this type of device at a minimum would be considered harassment ultimately end up in illegal take/possession.  For instance, what would happen if a bull that was not ready to shed was entrapped in this device overnight when the trap was not attended.  The animal could become critically exhausted and expire.  The person setting the trap could be cited for illegally hunting of big game based on the statute definitions.   OG




WAC 232-12-287 Possession of dead wildlife. (1) Except as authorized by permit of the director or by subsection (2) of this section, it is unlawful to possess wildlife found dead. This rule does not prohibit the possession of naturally shed antlers of deer, elk, or moose.

(2) An individual may remove and dispose of wildlife found dead on his or her property or an adjoining public roadway. Before removing the wildlife, the individual shall, by telephone, notify the department or the Washington state patrol communications office, and shall provide his or her name, address, telephone number, and the description and location of the wildlife. The individual may remove the wildlife for disposal only, and may not retain the wildlife for personal use or consumption. Other laws and rules may apply to the disposal, including rules of the department of health (WAC 246-203-120). Wildlife removed under this section remain the property of the state.



[Statutory Authority: RCW 77.12.047. 03-16-087 (Order 03-175), § 232-12-287, filed 8/5/03, effective 9/5/03. Statutory Authority: RCW 77.12.040. 95-10-026, § 232-12-287, filed 4/26/95, effective 5/27/95; 81-12-029 (Order 165), § 232-12-287, filed 6/1/81. Formerly WAC 232-12-180.]



RCW 77.08.010

Definitions.
The definitions in this section apply throughout this title or rules adopted under this title unless the context clearly requires otherwise.
(65) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, capture, or harass a wild animal or wild bird.


RCW 77.15.410

Unlawful hunting of big game -- Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of unlawful hunting of big game in the second degree if the person:

(a) Hunts for, takes, or possesses big game and the person does not have and possess all licenses, tags, or permits required under this title; or

(b) Violates any department rule regarding seasons, bag or possession limits, closed areas including game reserves, closed times, or any other rule governing the hunting, taking, or possession of big game.

(2) A person is guilty of unlawful hunting of big game in the first degree if the person commits the act described in subsection (1) of this section and:

(a) The person hunts for, takes, or possesses three or more big game animals within the same course of events; or

(b) The act occurs within five years of the date of a prior conviction under this title involving unlawful hunting, killing, possessing, or taking big game.

(3)(a) Unlawful hunting of big game in the second degree is a gross misdemeanor. Upon conviction of an offense involving killing or possession of big game taken during a closed season, closed area, without the proper license, tag, or permit using an unlawful method, or in excess of the bag or possession limit, the department shall revoke all of the person's hunting licenses and tags and order a suspension of the person's hunting privileges for two years.

(b) Unlawful hunting of big game in the first degree is a class C felony. Upon conviction, the department shall revoke all of the person's hunting licenses or tags and order the person's hunting privileges suspended for ten years.

(4) For the purposes of this section, "same course of events" means within one twenty-four hour period, or a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts that are unlawful under subsection (1) of this section, over a period of time evidencing a continuity of purpose.
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[Devinshoe]

Thats awesome!! Havent been able to check mine in the past week, I'll be out to check it tomorrow.

[headshot5]

This is the post OG made yesterday. Food for thought if nothing else.

Luckily it is a voluntary shed trap, and the deer can avoid it if it makes them uncomfortable or feel harassed.

[shedcrazy]

I have seven of them set up all over the Naneum, it's how I get my sheds

[runamuk]

ummm do deer even shed this time of year....seems rather early 

[h20hunter]

They do when their head gets trapped in bungie cords.

[PolarBear]

I've seen whitetails in Republic shed this early before.  A good cold snap or a lot of pressure can make them shed early.  I friend of mine arrowed a buck last year that dropped his antlers just before it hit the ground.   My buddy puts up a 4 foot fence around a pile of branches then puts hay in the branches.  If the antlers do not fall off when they hit the ground from jumping the fence, they come off in the branches.  I find a lot of sheds along fence lines or logs over trails.  I can see entanglement traps being dangerous and illegal but not sure it they actually are illegal or not.

[Broken Arrow]

This post may fall under a new definition of SSS

Seriously?
Shed trap post
Shut up.....!

[PolarBear]

PB, read above. We got the regs from LE yesterday. It's illegal to use a shed trap.

Good!  Thank you.

[dmartin]

Here's a thought: if individuals don't like seeing animals die, they dont hunt, they surely don't go looking at pictures of it. If any of you guys have a problem with people finding horns or how they find horns, acting like your gonna stop them from doing it in a 2 sentence rant on a post isn't going to stop them. don't come to the "shed hunting" thread if you guys don't want to see sheds. I'm not taking one guys side or the other. But whining about it sure is unnecessary. I enjoy seeing horn pictures and I'm not one to judge how they came to get horns. So, easy enough, don't ruin it for anybody else.

[HornHoarder]

That's a great shed, hopefully you can match it up soon. 

[dmartin]

You guys have been quoted the regulations by a member of LE for the DFW. Using shed traps will get you fined and you'll lose your hunting rights besides. Good luck posting this on a public forum.

The above statement you posted seems like you are enforcing the law.. "you have been quoted".. all I'm saying is people will do it either way so in the future, put nice find  and move on. You're not trying to keep them from getting in trouble you guys are preaching that "Using shed traps will get you fined and you'll lose your hunting rights besides. Good luck posting this on a public forum."

[Dr. Death]

Great shed...find the other one ...

I just love how everyone is a cop, or attorney or judge... whats the deal and I'm sure its NOT a shed trap, its to keep the deer out of the flowers...

[antlerking]

sweet I cant wait 2 hit the hills every day 4  three months straight  starting Jan 5 th the 1 st trip out

[dmartin]

Agreed antlerking... hope people post up some pictures in the next few weeks of their finds. I'll be starting next weekend looking for moose paddles

[Maverick]

im confused on how we got on antler traps on this page? he didnt ever mention a trap for this shed 

[Bigtine96]

im confused on how we got on antler traps on this page? he didnt ever mention a trap for this shed 

I'm thinking he edited it when people started calling him out.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I respect OG's input and I'm sure he would write someone up and create a sheet storm for them.. But I think it's a bit of a stretch to call a shed trap illegal under the "harassment" laws posted. Now if there is the possibility the animal could become ensnared in the trap that would be a different story and it makes sense that it could be considered hunting.

In regards to "naturally shed".. A snare that falls off in a trap is still naturally shed.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

For the record I do not and have not ever used a antler trap. 

[Arteman]

Great find, awesome shed.  Idk why the shed antler forum has to be most controversial forum from January to May every year but it is definitely over dramatized...

[madmack76]

i am amazed at how many d-bags have showed up on this sight the last year bunch of wacko holyier than though d-bags thanks for making a good sight a joke

[PolarBear]

 

[deaner]

the guy posted a pic of a nice shed, not a buck tangled up in a shed trap.  leave it be.  come to think of it, ive never seen a pic of a buck caught in a shed trap, and ive seen a lot of messed up $*&^ online.

[danderson]

Nice one, good luck finding the other side 

[DBHAWTHORNE]

the guy posted a pic of a nice shed, not a buck tangled up in a shed trap.  leave it be.  come to think of it, ive never seen a pic of a buck caught in a shed trap, and ive seen a lot of messed up $*&^ online.

 

[huntnnw]

    A buck has died from a shed trap made of bungees cause he just couldnt get freed from pushed in the ground by hand fence posts    I didnt realize deer were so weak and just barely manage to even walk with all that head gear up there

[MLBowhunting]

Nice shed