collapse

Advertisement


Author Topic: less lethal 12 gauge ammo  (Read 2657 times)

Offline Fishaholic

  • Master pintsmen =)
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2012
  • Posts: 1682
  • Location: Aberdeen, wa
less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« on: January 03, 2013, 01:25:06 PM »
so i have been having problems with people trying to beak into my car and truck and was thinking about getting some rubber buckshot or beanbag rounds for my 12 gauge to keep the people of of my stuff.  Has anyone ever used less lethal rounds if so how well do they work?
30,000,000 legal firearm owners killed no one yesterday.

Offline JimmyHoffa

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Sep 2010
  • Posts: 14541
  • Location: 150 Years Too Late
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2013, 01:29:54 PM »
The bean bags hurt like a you know what.  Way worse than a paintball.  I remember they left a red mark, but no bruise.  They don't work very well unless you are close.  They are rolled up in the shell, and when fired they unravel and expand, slowing quickly.

Offline JLS

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 4622
  • Location: In my last tracks.....
  • Groups: Support the LWCF!
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2013, 01:38:17 PM »
The bean bags hurt like a you know what.  Way worse than a paintball.  I remember they left a red mark, but no bruise.  They don't work very well unless you are close.  They are rolled up in the shell, and when fired they unravel and expand, slowing quickly.

Not the newer stuff.  You could zap people at 20-30 yards plus with those and they are still smoking.  The manufacturer should have a minimum distance you need to be, make sure you follow it or you could end up killing someone.
Matthew 7:13-14

Offline NW-GSP

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 2727
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2013, 01:38:38 PM »
At close range they can still be lethal

Offline Bean Counter

  • Site Sponsor
  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Posts: 13624
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2013, 01:38:49 PM »
Discuss this with an attorney and let us know what he says. If you think $300 for an hour of talk time is expensive now... wait until you're on the other side of the event...

Offline fishngamereaper

  • Trade Count: (+6)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Oct 2011
  • Posts: 8758
  • Location: kitsap
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2013, 01:40:58 PM »
 :bdid: :bdid: :bdid: :twocents:

Offline kckrawler

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2007
  • Posts: 698
  • Location: Snohomish
  • Groups: NRA, RMEF
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2013, 01:42:21 PM »
 :yeah: Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen...
I worry about belonging to a club that accepts people like me as members.

"Horrific things happen not because we have guns in our society, but because we have evil in our society."

Offline crazysccrmd

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Apr 2012
  • Posts: 432
  • Location: Tacoma
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2013, 01:50:06 PM »
If it's that bad get a paintball gun and up the fps a lot. It will hurt without putting you in jail for brandishing a firearm or worse. Less lethal has no place in civilian use of firearms. The only time you should fire is if deadly force would be legal, in which case you should be using fully lethal ammunition.
"Republicans NEED to find a salesman! They couldn't sell a hooker on a troop ship full of 10,000 marines!" - thanks Special T

Offline h20hunter

  • Trade Count: (+16)
  • Legend
  • ******
  • Join Date: Jan 2010
  • Posts: 20872
  • Location: Lake Stevens
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2013, 01:56:36 PM »
Two words: bear spray

Offline Fishaholic

  • Master pintsmen =)
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2012
  • Posts: 1682
  • Location: Aberdeen, wa
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2013, 07:02:13 PM »
i like the bear spray idea. does it burn real bad i want the people i spray to feel like there skin is melting off. What will happen if i spray a crackhead for breaking into my stuff and he calls the police in me
30,000,000 legal firearm owners killed no one yesterday.

Offline JLS

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 4622
  • Location: In my last tracks.....
  • Groups: Support the LWCF!
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2013, 09:34:34 PM »
Bear spray burns like no tomorrow.  It's also oil based, so it is harder to get off.  If you got someone with a full stream of that they would feel the aftershock for several days.

If someone was stealing your stuff and you sprayed them, I don't think there would be any ramifications.  Pepper spray is not considered lethal force, and would not likely inflict any serious bodily injury.
Matthew 7:13-14

Offline deaner

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2012
  • Posts: 979
  • Location: huckleberry
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2013, 09:36:33 PM »
i like the bear spray idea. does it burn real bad i want the people i spray to feel like there skin is melting off. What will happen if i spray a crackhead for breaking into my stuff and he calls the police in me
                           your word against the crackheads... say he stole it from you and was trying to huff it to get high.          sounds like you really need to move

Offline crazysccrmd

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Apr 2012
  • Posts: 432
  • Location: Tacoma
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2013, 09:37:33 PM »
i like the bear spray idea. does it burn real bad i want the people i spray to feel like there skin is melting off. What will happen if i spray a crackhead for breaking into my stuff and he calls the police in me

Just make sure to get some over spray on whatever he's trying to steal. Proves it took place on/with your property.
"Republicans NEED to find a salesman! They couldn't sell a hooker on a troop ship full of 10,000 marines!" - thanks Special T

Offline Bob33

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 21744
  • Groups: SCI, RMEF, NRA, Hunter Education
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2013, 09:47:06 PM »
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 09:37:52 PM by Bob33 »
Nature. It's cheaper than therapy.

Offline jasnt

  • ELR junkie
  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Feb 2010
  • Posts: 6539
  • Location: deer park
  • Out shooting
  • Groups: WSTA
Re: less lethal 12 gauge ammo
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2013, 11:19:04 PM »
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/take_action  It takes 10 seconds and it’s free. To easy to make an excuse not to make your voice heard!!!!!!

The commission shall attempt to maximize the public recreational game fishing and hunting opportunities of all citizens, including juvenile, disabled, and senior citizens.
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.04.012

 


* Advertisement

* Recent Topics

Bow mount trolling motors by Stein
[Today at 09:05:06 AM]


Oregon results posted. by trophyhunt
[Today at 08:51:12 AM]


best draw for moose unit wise by hunter399
[Today at 08:31:10 AM]


Idaho 2025 Controlled Hunts by trophyelk6x6
[Today at 08:24:13 AM]


2025 OILS! by Ridgerunner
[Today at 07:40:49 AM]


FFL preferences or warnings in Olympia or south Sound area? by lhrbull
[Today at 06:59:24 AM]


Nooksack Archery Tag by LongBomb
[Today at 06:29:37 AM]


I’m on a blacktail mission by Turner89
[Yesterday at 11:33:35 PM]


AKC lab puppies! Born 06/10/2025 follow as they grow!!! by scottfrick
[Yesterday at 09:54:06 PM]


Basin elk by hughjorgan
[Yesterday at 09:50:49 PM]


Getting back into dogs by bearpaw
[Yesterday at 09:06:14 PM]


Cowiche Quality Buck by Nwgunner
[Yesterday at 08:55:00 PM]


MA-10 Coho by WAcoueshunter
[Yesterday at 08:50:46 PM]


Is FS70 open? by CarbonHunter
[Yesterday at 08:09:04 PM]


Muzzy Mission Quality!!! by NOCK NOCK
[Yesterday at 07:49:11 PM]


Colockum Archery Bull Tag by Smittyk44
[Yesterday at 04:23:53 PM]


49 degrees north late Moose tag by Buzzsaw461
[Yesterday at 04:11:52 PM]


I'm Going To Need Karl To Come up With That 290 Muley Sunscreen Bug Spray Combo by BULLBLASTER
[Yesterday at 03:53:35 PM]


Mature bulls during late season? by Pete112288
[Yesterday at 03:51:08 PM]


Stillaguamish 448 QD rifle tag by Hi-Liter
[Yesterday at 03:23:47 PM]

SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2025, SimplePortal