Archery Elk Blue Mountains

[Woodchuck]

likely more. 
Seems like a reckless statement about Scott. He does an awful lot for folks around here.

You might want to re-read what I wrote. I said he HELPED A KID get land access, who drew a raffle tag. How is that making a reckless statement about Scott. Scott is a good guy and has helped me tremendously over the years.

The inference I got from your post was that the landowner was given these anterless permits in exchange for letting the young man hunt. This is not the case.

[270Flat]

All this talk about the Blue Mountains...
When there are no elk inthe Blues!!

[Woodchuck]

Good point sir, good point.

[WaHeadhunter]

ou may want to get educated and read the game regulations. YOU CANNOT HUNT THE NATIONAL FOREST with SOME (NOT ALL) of the special draw permits; across all weapon choices. Since you seem to think I am an idiot; let me post it for you so you can feel stupid.

I don't feel stupid at all, I know all that stuff. Those regs are what sportsmen have to abide by and that puts the burden on you to find ground to hunt, it hardly obligates any landowner to allow access to private property.

My point is with an attitude like yours a landowner could see you coming from a mile away. You seem to have some sense of entitlement going on and and if a landowner doesn't give you access you get bent out of shape about i and feel the need to hide anonymously on some chat board to say things that are not true about them.

Unless you know the two landowners you are trashing, what makes you think they don't have hunters on their land to allow access to herds? I've hunted both those landowners properties and was told where I could hunt and when I could hunt due to other hunters having access as well.

In fact, I've heard that Kelly Allen had 2 big bulls taken off his land this year, one muzzy and one modern by draw permit holders.

Good luck in your future hunting adventures, you need it.

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Cant believe i read three pages of quality information to find out again there are no elk in the blues!!!

[Landowner]

Also, the antlerless tags given aren’t trade for “special hunting privileges”, they’re for crop damage. They’re an alternative for crop damage $$ and sometimes they’re not even filled, by choice not chance.

oops, just realized we were thread jacking, sorry.

Agreed! Please read the policy regarding them. If a landowner received anterless tags for submitting damage claims, they are REQUIRED by the game department to supply their contact information to the public, and open up a percentage of their land to the public to help manage the animals doing the damage. This is part of the Land Access Program, which Scott heads up. As of 2009; there was only 7 land owners on the list (162 and 163) submitting damage claims. Kelly Allen was by far the majority land owner on the list and his LAND IS CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC. He may let you hunt it after his family runs ATVs all over the property and fills their tags, but by then it is towards the end of the season and your wasting your time. Like I said in my previous post. He allowed 1 raffle tag holder to hunt it. He was GIVEN 3 cow tags for doing it, because he was on the Land Access Program land owner list. The truth is; he don't really let anyone hunt it, yet he still gets tags because the game department doesn't want to screw up the relationship and plays politics.

@Skywalker.  Been reading your posts where you continue to trash certain Dayton landowners.  I happen to personally know those landowners very well, much better than you by a long shot.  So here's the facts. 

Fact: Allen has never received 3 elk tags in any year. The Dayton 162 landowners who grow crops incur substantial damages from elk and deer on a yearly basis, often in the $10k to $20k plus range.  Maximum number of tags WDFW issues in lieu of cash compensation is two cow elk depredation tags per year.   

Fact:  Public hunting by written permission is allowed by the landowners you reference for all species .  Not surprisingly, the landowners----who pay the mortgages, taxes and other substantial expenses of their farming operations---have some say as who gets to enter their property to hunt.  These landowners are mindful of providing quality hunts to those granted permission so that an orange hat is not on every rock.  And these landowners are mindful that if their lands were open to every person who drove by, virtually every deer and elk in the area would be killed.   WDFW is well aware of the benefit of these lands to wildlife---which is wildlife that is transient and constantly moving on and off public/private grounds.   

Fact: Allen's ground produced a kill of 6 elk (two big bulls) this past season, and 8 bucks and 3 does---none of which were killed by the "family" you reference except his 12 year old niece with her first buck.  2012 Harvest included kills by disabled, youth and elderly---weapons included muzzleloader, rifle and archery.

Fact: Eaton's ground produced 2012 elk kills to hunters who had never harvested off his ground before including one nice big bull.  And he lets a LOT of hunters on all of his ground. 

Final Point:  While I can't say for sure who it was, I am aware from Eaton of a certain hunter in 2009 who had permission to hunt elk in a designated area of his ground---but that certain hunter decided on his own to expand the area he had been given permission to hunt.  And he got called on it.  Funny, it happened to be a guy from around the neck of the woods you listed in your avatar.   

[D-Rock425]

 

[Mr Mykiss]

Oh snap... snap indeed.

[D-Rock425]

Oh snap... snap indeed.

[buglebuster]

Also, the antlerless tags given aren’t trade for “special hunting privileges”, they’re for crop damage. They’re an alternative for crop damage $$ and sometimes they’re not even filled, by choice not chance.

oops, just realized we were thread jacking, sorry.

Agreed! Please read the policy regarding them. If a landowner received anterless tags for submitting damage claims, they are REQUIRED by the game department to supply their contact information to the public, and open up a percentage of their land to the public to help manage the animals doing the damage. This is part of the Land Access Program, which Scott heads up. As of 2009; there was only 7 land owners on the list (162 and 163) submitting damage claims. Kelly Allen was by far the majority land owner on the list and his LAND IS CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC. He may let you hunt it after his family runs ATVs all over the property and fills their tags, but by then it is towards the end of the season and your wasting your time. Like I said in my previous post. He allowed 1 raffle tag holder to hunt it. He was GIVEN 3 cow tags for doing it, because he was on the Land Access Program land owner list. The truth is; he don't really let anyone hunt it, yet he still gets tags because the game department doesn't want to screw up the relationship and plays politics.

@Skywalker.  Been reading your posts where you continue to trash certain Dayton landowners.  I happen to personally know those landowners very well, much better than you by a long shot.  So here's the facts. 

Fact: Allen has never received 3 elk tags in any year. The Dayton 162 landowners who grow crops incur substantial damages from elk and deer on a yearly basis, often in the $10k to $20k plus range.  Maximum number of tags WDFW issues in lieu of cash compensation is two cow elk depredation tags per year.   

Fact:  Public hunting by written permission is allowed by the landowners you reference for all species .  Not surprisingly, the landowners----who pay the mortgages, taxes and other substantial expenses of their farming operations---have some say as who gets to enter their property to hunt.  These landowners are mindful of providing quality hunts to those granted permission so that an orange hat is not on every rock.  And these landowners are mindful that if their lands were open to every person who drove by, virtually every deer and elk in the area would be killed.   WDFW is well aware of the benefit of these lands to wildlife---which is wildlife that is transient and constantly moving on and off public/private grounds.   

Fact: Allen's ground produced a kill of 6 elk (two big bulls) this past season, and 8 bucks and 3 does---none of which were killed by the "family" you reference except his 12 year old niece with her first buck.  2012 Harvest included kills by disabled, youth and elderly---weapons included muzzleloader, rifle and archery.

Fact: Eaton's ground produced 2012 elk kills to hunters who had never harvested off his ground before including one nice big bull.  And he lets a LOT of hunters on all of his ground. 

Final Point:  While I can't say for sure who it was, I am aware from Eaton of a certain hunter in 2009 who had permission to hunt elk in a designated area of his ground---but that certain hunter decided on his own to expand the area he had been given permission to hunt.  And he got called on it.  Funny, it happened to be a guy from around the neck of the woods you listed in your avatar.

Oh my this is awesome

[270Flat]

 

[The100Road]

Oh snap... snap indeed.

 

[WaHeadhunter]

Not one to say I told you so, but...

[elkfins]

@Skywalker.  Been reading your posts where you continue to trash certain Dayton landowners.  I happen to personally know those landowners very well, much better than you by a long shot.  So here's the facts. 

Fact: Allen has never received 3 elk tags in any year. The Dayton 162 landowners who grow crops incur substantial damages from elk and deer on a yearly basis, often in the $10k to $20k plus range.  Maximum number of tags WDFW issues in lieu of cash compensation is two cow elk depredation tags per year.   

Fact:  Public hunting by written permission is allowed by the landowners you reference for all species .  Not surprisingly, the landowners----who pay the mortgages, taxes and other substantial expenses of their farming operations---have some say as who gets to enter their property to hunt.  These landowners are mindful of providing quality hunts to those granted permission so that an orange hat is not on every rock.  And these landowners are mindful that if their lands were open to every person who drove by, virtually every deer and elk in the area would be killed.   WDFW is well aware of the benefit of these lands to wildlife---which is wildlife that is transient and constantly moving on and off public/private grounds.   

Fact: Allen's ground produced a kill of 6 elk (two big bulls) this past season, and 8 bucks and 3 does---none of which were killed by the "family" you reference except his 12 year old niece with her first buck.  2012 Harvest included kills by disabled, youth and elderly---weapons included muzzleloader, rifle and archery.

Fact: Eaton's ground produced 2012 elk kills to hunters who had never harvested off his ground before including one nice big bull.  And he lets a LOT of hunters on all of his ground. 

Final Point:  While I can't say for sure who it was, I am aware from Eaton of a certain hunter in 2009 who had permission to hunt elk in a designated area of his ground---but that certain hunter decided on his own to expand the area he had been given permission to hunt.  And he got called on it.  Funny, it happened to be a guy from around the neck of the woods you listed in your avatar.

now where is that LIKE button???

[WaHeadhunter]

Just spoke with someone who hunted Eaton 2012 and was told Eaton issued over 100 permission slips for hunters on his acreage.