S&W Shield vs. Springfield XD-S - Help

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Great point! I did not realise they had to use FMJ's even in the 9's. 


Im with ya there!

I don't want to misrepresent... The US can and does use JHP for special purposes... but generally it's the FMJ.

[Jingles]

In response to your queery about wher those that carry larger carry.
I carry a full sized XD 45 13+1 IWB mid back I find it very comfortable and there have been times when I almost forgot I even had it

[timberghost72]

The XDS you can get a 7 round mag so 7+1. I started a thread a few days ago about this gun and pretty sure I am going to buy one.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,114605.0.html

[halfpipe88]

I didn't know you could get an extended magazine for the XD-S...I like that.  That would obviously make it a little harder to conceal...

[Fisherdave10]

I have shot the XDS with the extended magazine.  Once you use that magazine, it is basically a slim, single stack .45, not much different than a compact 1911.  I wouldn't carry with the extended magazine.

Some forget when it comes to handgun calibers.  All handgun calibers suck.  No duty caliber comes close to the knockdown power and effectiveness of a 12GA buckshot load, or .223 from an AR15.  9 vs .40 vs .45 is pointless.

Shot placement is everything.  Not caliber.  Load up with the best defensive ammo you can.  I use Federal HSTs.

[ellensburgpo]

I didn't know you could get an extended magazine for the XD-S...I like that.  That would obviously make it a little harder to conceal...

Even with extended mag it's not hard to conceal at all.

[halfpipe88]

What's the best kind of holster for concealed carry? 

[Alchase]

Knockdown power, with a handgun round 

Seriously, how about penetration

Penetration is almost the same for all 3 calibers. 

Back to knockdown/Energy power...

I read a study the military was working on about the M-9 they issue and why they want to get rid of the 9mm.
On average after 2 solid hits in the torso the enemy still had 15 seconds on average to return fire. And its due to lack of energy...plain and simple.

But its all the same as Chevy, Ford and Dodge. To each there own.

There is a large difference between the FMJ's that we have to use in the military and modern self defense ammo. If I was restricted to FMJs for conceal carry then forget the 9mm or the .40...I would go with nothing less than a .45 everytime.

The FBI disagrees, lol
They conclude there is no such thing as "knockdown power" it is a myth.

In the same study that chose the 10MM, they also stated 85% of all perpetrators shot with 9MM, continued to fight.

They then revised three years later to the .40 cal do to the recorded inaccuracy of the followup shots for the 10MM do to recoil.

Someone explain exactly what science is "knockdown Power"?

[Alchase]

What's the best kind of holster for concealed carry? 

For IWB comfort and concealability I prefer the Galco King Tuk, the Crossbreed is good as well, but the King Tuk is better quality.

Milt Sparks Versa Max II is also extremely comfortable, if you have the money and the 6 month wait time.

Any OWB will be more comfortable then the best IWB because it is not snugged between your belt/pants and your skin, OWB is not as concealable as IWB, but more then sufficient for everyday use.

There are a ton of good holsters, try a bunch on IWB and OWB. You might be more comfortable with something else.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

What's the best kind of holster for concealed carry? 

For IWB comfort and concealability I prefer the Galco King Tuk, the Crossbreed is good as well, but the King Tuk is better quality.

Milt Sparks Versa Max II is also extremely comfortable, if you have the money and the 6 month wait time.

Any OWB will be more comfortable then the best IWB because it is not snugged between your belt/pants and your skin, OWB is not as concealable as IWB, but more then sufficient for everyday use.

There are a ton of good holsters, try a bunch on IWB and OWB. You might be more comfortable with something else.

 

I can second the king tuk and crossbreed as being good IWB holsters

[halfpipe88]

I called Hole In The Wall in Kennewick, There's a list of 16 on the waiting list for the S&W Shield 9mm.  I'm #17...we'll see how long that takes!  about $430.  I'd rather wait for one than pay $300 more on GunsAmerica!  Still sucks to have to wait.  Oh well, give me time to build up ammo and get a holster.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I called Hole In The Wall in Kennewick, There's a list of 16 on the waiting list for the S&W Shield 9mm.  I'm #17...we'll see how long that takes!  about $430.  I'd rather wait for one than pay $300 more on GunsAmerica!  Still sucks to have to wait.  Oh well, give me time to build up ammo and get a holster.

Good to hear you went with the Shield...and the 9mm ... You won't be disappointed.