9mm vs .40 vs .45

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I really want a .357 mag but, I'm having trouble finding one that is 4", has 7rd capacity and in my price range.

I know a lot of people do not like Taurus but my 4"tracker is a great shooter and very reliable, as is the other two Taurus pistols I own. Two stay in the discussion though, I will say I like my .45.  10+1 and very easy to carry and conceal.

Nice Collection

[huntnphool]

Too me, it is all about control and rounds effectively on target where I place them....    Get the gun that you can control and put the rds where they count.

Same argument on these sights over 243, 270, 7mm, 300wm etc, the 243 kills just as effectively as all the others when you hit the target, it's all about shot placement.

In the Fort Hood shooting Hasan killed 13 people and wounded 30 with a relatively small caliber 5.7x28, before being put down with 5 shots from a military issued sidearm, and it didn't kill him. No idea what caliber it was.

[Bob33]

These types of threads always generate lots of interest, be it the 9mm vs 10mm vs 45, or the 270 vs 30-06 vs. 458, etc.

I've come to believe, based primarily on hunting and killing big game, that there are a few laws of firearms and killing that generally apply to these topics:
1. Any gun is better than no gun.
2. No gun or bullet will instantly stop a living creature 100 percent of the time. Unless a spinal column or near spinal column hit is made, the creature may run/keep coming. I've seen too many lung/heart shot animals survive for 5 to 10 seconds (or longer) to believe that it wouldn't apply to humans in most instances as well.
3. Everything being equal, bigger bullets are better than smaller bullets. If shot placement is all that matters, we'd hunt elephants with .22s.
4. Everything isn't equal.

I believe there is a small advantage in stopping powder to larger caliber handguns versus smaller caliber handguns. However, calibers like 9mm have other advantages such as lower cost of ammunition which equals more practice, milder recoil, and increased magazine capacity which can tip the scales in favor of them.

Of far greater importance than caliber is the ability to think clearly and use whatever weapon you choose effectively when it matters.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

These types of threads always generate lots of interest, be it the 9mm vs 10mm vs 45, or the 270 vs 30-06 vs. 458, etc.

I've come to believe, based primarily on hunting and killing big game, that there are a few laws of firearms and killing that generally apply to these topics:
1. Any gun is better than no gun.
2. No gun or bullet will instantly stop a living creature 100 percent of the time. Unless a spinal column or near spinal column hit is made, the creature may run/keep coming. I've seen too many lung/heart shot animals survive for 5 to 10 seconds (or longer) to believe that it wouldn't apply to humans in most instances as well.
3. Everything being equal, bigger bullets are better than smaller bullets. If shot placement is all that matters, we'd hunt elephants with .22s.
4. Everything isn't equal.

I believe there is a small advantage in stopping powder to larger caliber handguns versus smaller caliber handguns. However, calibers like 9mm have other advantages such as lower cost of ammunition which equals more practice, milder recoil, and increased magazine capacity which can tip the scales in favor of them.

Of far greater importance than caliber is the ability to think clearly and use whatever weapon you choose effectively when it matters.

Perfectly stated... but you just ruined the debate. 

[Bob33]

 

I think it will continue.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I think it will continue.

Yeah.. I don't think we have solved it just yet.  Eventually everyone will realize the 9mm is the way to go.

[deaner]

okay so speaking of 9mm      has anybody had the chance to try out the kimber solo?  every time i go to a gun store i look but never seen one in stock.  read a lot of good things about it but im sure not going to lay down the cash to order a gun ive never even held.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

okay so speaking of 9mm      has anybody had the chance to try out the kimber solo?  every time i go to a gun store i look but never seen one in stock.  read a lot of good things about it but im sure not going to lay down the cash to order a gun ive never even held.

They look awesome.. this was the most current discussion I saw regarding the Solo

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/handgun-discussion/104703-having-problems-kimber-solo.html

The guy didn't know how to put it back together and was having failures as a result.

[deaner]

yeah the guy on the video shows how to push in on the spring... seems like all the people having problems with it ust couldnt figure that one out.   id still like to try one out before plunking down 700 or 800 dollars on one

[huntnphool]

These types of threads always generate lots of interest, be it the 9mm vs 10mm vs 45, or the 270 vs 30-06 vs. 458, etc.

I've come to believe, based primarily on hunting and killing big game, that there are a few laws of firearms and killing that generally apply to these topics:
1. Any gun is better than no gun.
2. No gun or bullet will instantly stop a living creature 100 percent of the time. Unless a spinal column or near spinal column hit is made, the creature may run/keep coming. I've seen too many lung/heart shot animals survive for 5 to 10 seconds (or longer) to believe that it wouldn't apply to humans in most instances as well.
3. Everything being equal, bigger bullets are better than smaller bullets. If shot placement is all that matters, we'd hunt elephants with .22s.
4. Everything isn't equal.

I believe there is a small advantage in stopping powder to larger caliber handguns versus smaller caliber handguns. However, calibers like 9mm have other advantages such as lower cost of ammunition which equals more practice, milder recoil, and increased magazine capacity which can tip the scales in favor of them.

Of far greater importance than caliber is the ability to think clearly and use whatever weapon you choose effectively when it matters.

+1, although you are not going to hit the target (heart) on a elephant with a .22, assuming you meant rimfire.

[Special T]

Have you seen any good articles that describe/ show the different expandables? Within the same calibers?

[hillbilli]

used to be a website called "brassfetcher", that showed gelatin tests, recovered bullets etc for all the common calibers..

[Special T]

Here is the link regarding the 9mm vs the 45.
http://www.brassfetcher.com/index_files/9mmvs45ACP.htm

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Here is the link regarding the 9mm vs the 45.
http://www.brassfetcher.com/index_files/9mmvs45ACP.htm

Thanks for posting those videos... I had never seen it before but it reinforced what I already knew......those speer dot gold +P in that 9mm are amazing..that's what I use in my shield.