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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2013, 05:59:27 PM »
I would pursue the hunter harrassment law but you'll need a buddy with you. The video mentioned would be a good idea also.
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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2013, 06:09:21 PM »
I would pursue the hunter harrassment law but you'll need a buddy with you. The video mentioned would be a good idea also.

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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2013, 06:13:54 PM »
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.210

(1) A person is guilty of obstructing the taking of fish[, shellfish,] or wildlife if the person:

     (a) Harasses, drives, or disturbs fish, shellfish, or wildlife with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof; or

     (b) Harasses, intimidates, or interferes with an individual engaged in the lawful taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife or lawful predator control with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof.

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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2013, 08:04:17 PM »
Good comments guys, I appreciate the input. I will see what I can do get the guy on film next time I'm out there. Seems to be the only real way to get anywhere with this.
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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2013, 08:11:56 PM »
7MM,
I just went through this in Florida.  Keep calling the police, DFW, on him, eventually he will be cited. Just have your ducks in a row.

As far as a shotgun reaching 300 yds with #4's   you bestter have a good wind behind your back....

we got a guy a ticket in florida for harrasing us... stick it to them.  need a partner give me a shout....

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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2013, 08:16:14 PM »
So exactly what I've found as well.

A little more detail. I am hunting a field with many ditches and small ponds in it. This field is approx. 500+ acres. This field is surrounded by houses for half of the perimeter I have made my own personal rule to not shoot if I am within 200 yards of any home. The main ditch that I walk puts me well outside of 500 yards from the nearest structure and as far as 1000 yards. When walking in along the ditch, anything I jump forces me to shoot towards homes, but again, I am 500-1000 yards away from said homes.

Twice I have had run ins with this guy yelling at me about hitting his house with shot when its physically impossible that my shot traveled that far, especially from my 20 ga. Yesterday evening, he not only yelled, but called the cops and came out and cornered me in the field and told me once again that I had hit his house with shot, when I was over 700 yards away. He also told me that I was not allowed to shoot that close to homes AND this field was closed to hunting, despite the fact its public land. I tried to have a reasonable conversation with the guy but he was irate. He called the cops again and told them that he was having a standoff with a guy with a loaded weapon that had just shot his house, and I was threatening his safety, which of course was a blatant lie. I yelled loud enough for the dispatcher to hear me say, "there is no standoff, I am hunting so of course I have a loaded weapon, but I will unload it and lay it down to eliminate any confusion." He went on and on about how I was in deep *censored* and he was going to nail me to the wall and he is sick of my *censored* doing this daily (when I haven't hunted this area in over a month, but obviously other people are).

Long story short, the cops showed up at his house and talked with his neighbor, who called the guy to let them know they were there. He told him to tell the cops that he had me "contained" and that they could come on down. The cops looked at the situation and said, there is no issue here and left without even coming down into the field. Once I knew they were gone, I picked up my gun, my ducks, wished him a good evening and headed back down the trail. The guy flat out told me that it wasn't over and that if he saw me out there again he would come right back out and ruin my hunt.

Now, I can sympathize with the guy on one level. A shotgun blast aimed in the general direction of a home 700 yards away is still very loud. I can hear them at my house 2 miles from this area. And given the nature of ducks and duck hunting, much of this shooting is bound to happen early in the morning, and around dinner time. But to make blatantly false claims and threaten me and my right to hunt public land is unacceptable. People have hunted this place since before his home was built, so he moved into it. I'm considering filing a complaint of hunter harassment but haven't decided whether to pursue it this time around, maybe next time when he follows through with his threat to ruin my hunt.

Any thoughts?

sorry you had to deal with that SOB. if this is public land your hunting on you owe it to yourself and all the other hunter decades from now to do something about this guy. if left uncontested , this guy might get the area shut down to public hunting; like so many others have been because of noise issues and being to close to houses.
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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2013, 05:56:54 PM »
I think a group shoot is in order. Lol. 10 or 20 shotguns should be about right.

Hunter harrassment should for sure be looked into. I had to tell a neighbor of a place I hunt ducks that I would turn them in to get them to back off a couple weeks ago.

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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2013, 06:09:46 PM »
Two questions. I have done my research and am confident I know the answers to these questions, just looking for more opinions. After I do a little more research on a third part of the issue, I will let you know why I am asking.

1: I shoot a 20 ga with 3" shell and #4 steel. What is the approximate maximum distance you feel this shot will carry?
2: What is the buffer zone you are required to keep between you and buildings while discharging a firearm? I use to work at Kenmore range.  If I remember right the distance was 300 yards buffer for shotguns but that was for trap load.

Had a run in yesterday with a guy accusing me of 2 things regarding these questions I feel I am completely in the right on.
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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2013, 06:34:50 PM »
if I recall correctly, when I shot a lot of trap and skeet, the trap loads petered out at about 90 yards, and fell at a berm that was "mined" for shot recycling every 5 years or so...  I don't think you could hit his house if you AIMED at it!
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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2013, 05:19:06 AM »
Video the fool! In Idaho the hunt pamphlet saws 100 ft from buildings, that's close. I have not seen anything in WA regs. I have been yelled at too many times by nearby landowners, when the sheriff shows up he says everything is OK. The chart is not always right. Have someone shoot at you from 500 yards with a hooded coat and your back turned if you don't hear it or feel it move closer. That is how we have checked safe distances forever. I have been loading shells that some of you haven't even seen or heard of, it's called Super tungston. It easily travels twice as far as steel. Watch out! The pellets are about 50% heavier than heavy shot. When we have cripples swimming away and the other shells won't sluice them out comes the Super Tungston. Amazing how far it works. That said I never shoot them at flying ducks I only use 2 3/4 #2's.
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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2013, 05:48:25 AM »
Notes I'd emailed myself
August 29, 2003  6:42 AM
 
Talked to Remington technical about the max range of shot.
 
Indicated that it would vary depending on weather conditions and altitude
and shot size.
 
Said that at sea level Hevi shot #2 would have a max range if shot at a 40 deg. angle
of about 500 yds.  Hevi shot #4 would have a max range of about 200 yds.
 
Steel shot would reduce these figures by about half.
 
Neither would be harmful to anyone if it was dropped on someone.
 
I explained that the bay we're looking at is about 370 yds across, that
I wanted to use product that would be contained in the water area in order
to prevent any possibility of a complaint.
 
Summary,  Hevi shot #4 or smaller or Steel #2 or smaller would provide the buffer we're looking for.

James
 

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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2013, 03:16:15 AM »
 :tup: Just hunt the land with a friend. Don't let these "A" holes run you off. I deal with people like that all the time on Lopez island hunting the public lands. The Cops get called and have came out many times over the passed 15 years. All they have to say. (have a nice day) I even have old ladies say that they managed the DNR land and hunting was not allowed. I called Bull Sh-t and said read the sign at the trail head. Hippies Just Piss Me Off
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Re: Range of shot and legal buffer question
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2013, 06:13:26 PM »
:tup: Just hunt the land with a friend. Don't let these "A" holes run you off. I deal with people like that all the time on Lopez island hunting the public lands. The Cops get called and have came out many times over the passed 15 years. All they have to say. (have a nice day) I even have old ladies say that they managed the DNR land and hunting was not allowed. I called Bull Sh-t and said read the sign at the trail head. Hippies Just Piss Me Off

Must have been down by Watmough?  There are some decent people out there though.

 


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