Went to Seattle Wolf Meeting Today

[CAMPMEAT]

Here we go again. Picking apart a statement to start a fight so you westsiders can control the eastside wolf problems. I stand by my post and could care less what you guys think or say.

Some of us (or a lot of us) westsiders have owned property in eastern WA. for many, many years Campmeat. Probably longer then you have lived on the east side. That is what I am trying to say. Where we live does not change how we think.


Now, does anyone know how many packs are they confirming now. Last I heard it was 8 although there were 5 black wolves seen just down the road frrom my place (another thread) recently.

I know this......

[CAMPMEAT]

I don't think westsiders should have a vote on eastern Washington wolf problems, especially Seattle hippie, treehugger, maggots.

would you include yourself in that statement? Since you're from the Westside???

Grow up......you always bring that up and has nothing to do with me since I don't live on the westside.

My question is were you a backwards thinking liberal when you lived on the Westside? Since you think we all are? As far as telling me to grow up, you should look in the mirror. YOU are the one that repeatedly makes these ignorant comments. You sound like a child.Your comments are even more ludicrous because you are from the Westside  I get sick of hearing your asinine comments about westsiders. I live on the Westside and I HATE wolves. So next time THINK before you post...

If we could swear, it would start with an F and end with a U.

[grundy53]

Wow, how grown up of you.... 

[wags]

So my point is: If the WDFW can use steel traps in a humane manner to capture wolves for collaring, then they sure can't use the excuse that those same traps aren't humane if us trappers are using them.

 It has nothing to do with wdfw, I-713 voter approve initiative trumps the wdfw so just like hound hunting cougars, the wdfw can use them, but the rest of us won't get to use em!
[/quote]

There is no provision in I-713 that will allow the WDFW the use of non-padded foothold traps. Again: my point is they won't be able to use the excuse that foothold traps are inhumane WHEN THEY/WE GO TO THE LEGISLATURE TO REPEAL/ AMEND I-713. When dogs, llamas, horses, kids, etc start getting eaten in Issaquah there will be pressure to make a change. Shooting them from helicopters won't work on the west side, you can't tree them with hounds, boot hunters might take a few, that leaves trapping.

[cougarbart]

and just like cougars only the game dept will get to do it, on problem animals! 

[UrbanTrapper]

Now, does anyone know how many packs are they confirming now. Last I heard it was 8 although there were 5 black wolves seen just down the road frrom my place (another thread) recently.

I was told their is "officially" 8 packs total with 3 "suspected" packs. All on the eastside.

Correct, that is how Donny said it but his slide had names for 13 packs so I got a little confused. 

[wags]

I think it will be different with wolves. The methods used on cougars aren't going to work on wolves. The wolf lovers will be crying their little eyes out, but the general public will be terrified of the wolves (not that there is that much to be worried about, unless you're on their menu). Cougars are rarely vocal, but a pack of wolves howling in Issaquah; I can hardly wait. 

[JLS]

The Walla Walla pack and Hozomeen pack spend the majority of their time outside of WA and are not counted as a result.  Seems like they should count, but that's just me.

[predatorpro]

I don't think westsiders should have a vote on eastern Washington wolf problems, especially Seattle hippie, treehugger, maggots.

would you include yourself in that statement? Since you're from the Westside???

Grow up......you always bring that up and has nothing to do with me since I don't live on the westside.

My question is were you a backwards thinking liberal when you lived on the Westside? Since you think we all are? As far as telling me to grow up, you should look in the mirror. YOU are the one that repeatedly makes these ignorant comments. You sound like a child.Your comments are even more ludicrous because you are from the Westside  I get sick of hearing your asinine comments about westsiders. I live on the Westside and I HATE wolves. So next time THINK before you post...

If we could swear, it would start with an F and end with a U.

king county has more people in it than all eastern washington pretty much! and history shows king county and the majority of big counties on the west side vote liberal on almost EVERY THING!....the problem is whatever king county votes for the whole state has to deal with their *censored*ty liberal decisions everytime! us on the east side get tired of trying to vote because it doesnt matter we dont have enough votes on the east side to even coome close to the liberal vote just in king county by its self

[UrbanTrapper]

how is that the wdfw can use traps a silver lining? the general public isn't ever going to get to use em!

They made it pretty clear at the wolf meeting that once the recovery goals are met, there will then have to be a general wolf season, and they should be managed the same as all other hunted wildlife. they made it a point that you can't just manage for individual animals (the one that's killing livestock for example). So my point is: If the WDFW can use steel traps in a humane manner to capture wolves for collaring, then they sure can't use the excuse that those same traps aren't humane if us trappers are using them.

Yes that is what they briefed, but Donny got cornered during the question and answer period and had to say that those who didn't want the wolf to be declared a 'game animal' after recovery goals are met, could pressure the game Game Commission (you know that group that hasn't been confirmed by the State Senate and includes a supposed 'hunter' who actually works for Conservation Northwest) to not do it and/or to not allow hunting of wolves.  My impression was that was what Seattle/West-side pro-wolf people want to do.  I hear Idaho can't pass a State initiative unless it gets a majority in all or most of the counties.  Is it too late for WA to do something like that?  WA Sportsmen and ranchers will continue to be oppressed by Westside tyranny until we do something like that.   

[cougarbart]

i just started another thread, about this cause the way i see it 1)hunting isnt working in idaho or montana and won't be enuff here either! 2)Trapping is like cougars and hounds will not be allowed in enough capacity!

[JimmyHoffa]

I hear Idaho can't pass a State initiative unless it gets a majority in all or most of the counties.  Is it too late for WA to do something like that?  WA Sportsmen and ranchers will continue to be oppressed by Westside tyranny until we do something like that.

I heard back during the 2010? elections that included the state income tax initiative about it restructuring the state.  What I heard, was that most of these high tech companies with the high pay (Microsoft, Amazon, etc) that attract much of the liberal element were prepared to uproot and move had it passed.  Supposedly a few were to head to Austin, Tx and/or Tuscon, Az.  The guy talking about it mentioned how most of the services specifically supporting them would likely fold or move too.  Also mentioned that most money raised in this that for 'causes' came from employees from the companies that would likely have moved.  And the result would have been a change in the voter structure for the state overall.  It was kind of a trade of keep lots of business in the state and keep it left leaning or have business leave the state in significant numbers, a state income tax and have the politics sway to the right.

[stuckalot]

A state of Eastern Washington would solve many of these issues... Just sayin...

[AspenBud]

A state of Eastern Washington would solve many of these issues... Just sayin...

Considering that eastern Washington is a net taker in terms of tax revenue I'd have to say that would cause all sorts of problems. Western Washington could justify a tax cut in that scenario however.

[AspenBud]

I hear Idaho can't pass a State initiative unless it gets a majority in all or most of the counties.  Is it too late for WA to do something like that?  WA Sportsmen and ranchers will continue to be oppressed by Westside tyranny until we do something like that.

I heard back during the 2010? elections that included the state income tax initiative about it restructuring the state.  What I heard, was that most of these high tech companies with the high pay (Microsoft, Amazon, etc) that attract much of the liberal element were prepared to uproot and move had it passed.  Supposedly a few were to head to Austin, Tx and/or Tuscon, Az.  The guy talking about it mentioned how most of the services specifically supporting them would likely fold or move too.  Also mentioned that most money raised in this that for 'causes' came from employees from the companies that would likely have moved.  And the result would have been a change in the voter structure for the state overall.  It was kind of a trade of keep lots of business in the state and keep it left leaning or have business leave the state in significant numbers, a state income tax and have the politics sway to the right.

There is some truth to this.

However, don't go thinking that an income tax is going to solve your problems. Take a look at a place like the state of New York. They have an income tax and sales tax and that state makes Washington look downright Conservative often.

This state has always been split politically, even before the days of high tech...