WDFW to cull hoof rot injured elk?

[Mudman]

I dont need to goggle anything to know the discover pas(which is junk charging us to enter our own land) was created to build million dollar bathrooms in Elbe with no plumbing infrastructure from town in place to feed it.  I dont need google to know pass funds parks in seattle and other crap not related to wdfw.  I dont need google to know our moneys as hunters doesnt solely go to wdfw and our cause.  I dont need google to know our liberal Gov. mismanages its money then ask for more and we have a new charge or pass invented.  I dont need google to view state funding reports that dont tell the whole story of our states greedy spending problem.  The dis. pass isnt bringing in $ because we are tired of this crap!!!  We dont miss-understand it we refuse to buy it!!

[Mudman]

I dont need to goggle anything to know the discover pas(which is junk charging us to enter our own land) was created to build million dollar bathrooms in Elbe with no plumbing infrastructure from town in place to feed it.  I dont need google to know pass funds parks in seattle and other crap not related to wdfw.  I dont need google to know our moneys as hunters doesnt solely go to wdfw and our cause.  I dont need google to know our liberal Gov. mismanages its money then ask for more and we have a new charge or pass invented.  I dont need google to view state funding reports that dont tell the whole story of our states greedy spending problem.  The dis. pass isnt bringing in $ because we are tired of this crap!!!  We dont miss-understand it we refuse to buy it!!

Thats funny! You said in your original post that the Discover Pass was one of the things that was bringing in plenty of money to invest in WDFW programs. Now your saying it isnt bringing in $ because we are tired of this crap!. Your all over the place. I have read your posts with other forum members. You seem to like to make irrational statements wtih no factual information to back them. I read your posts arguing with several other forum members. Your arguments won score is....

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No need to argue it any further. Enjoy your day.

  Is it all cut and dry for Liberals?  Take your jab and run!   Where are your facts you claim?  Hipocritical.  Yes they get plenty of $ just not as much as they think they should, or spend.  Why is that?  Because we are tired of getting the shaft and flipping the bill for their million dollar bathrooms and parks in the city.  Where are your facts???  Or do you just bekieve everything they tell you?  Your score is funny, did that come from your scientific proven statistics?

[Mudman]

Wa state expects to bring in 64 million$ the next 2 years on discovery pass sales.  So far 84% of money raised has gone to parks with the remaining 16% being split between DNR and WDFW.  So there ya go!!!!!!  8%.  Like I said above they (wdfw) would have plenty of money if the state spent our money on WDFW.  Skywalker your attacking hipocritical comments are not factual or appreciated.

[billythekidrock]

Wa state expects to bring in 64 million$ the next 2 years on discovery pass sales.  So far 84% of money raised has gone to parks with the remaining 16% being split between DNR and WDFW.  So there ya go!!!!!!  8%.  Like I said above they (wdfw) would have plenty of money if the state spent our money on WDFW.  Skywalker your attacking hipocritical comments are not factual or appreciated.

Where did you get that info? How about posting a link?
They may hope for that, but they won't get it. To top it off, state parks is spending hundreds thousands of dollars for new signs and entrances right now..

[Mudman]

Wa state expects to bring in 64 million$ the next 2 years on discovery pass sales.  So far 84% of money raised has gone to parks with the remaining 16% being split between DNR and WDFW.  So there ya go!!!!!!  8%.  Like I said above they (wdfw) would have plenty of money if the state spent our money on WDFW.  Skywalker your attacking hipocritical comments are not factual or appreciated.

Where did you get that info? How about posting a link?
They may hope for that, but they won't get it. To top it off, state parks is spending hundreds thousands of dollars for new signs and entrances right now..

I dont know how to copy n paste, I keep forgetting.  I googled like suggested.  It is an AP article in the Seattle times.

[billythekidrock]

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[Mudman]

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2016762230_apwadiscoverypass1stldwritethru.html I think thats it.

[Mudman]

Mudman,
I understand your point about the state not dividing up the money. Whether Wa State has $1.00 or $84 million dollars, I could careless. All I am saying is the WDFW lacks funding and the Govenor and the WDFW need to develop ways to provide the WDFW with more money to support programs, such as Hoof Rott research. Whether the Wa State gives them money or they create ways to generate it; I don't care. Just get more money to the WDFW to support these programs. I never said Wa State did not have any money. I said the WDFW lacks money to support these programs.

Very good.  Now we are on the same page.   We spend plenty of money as sportsman and they dont use it for WDFW,  Thats is the problem.  Granted they should I agree and wish more was spent/done for the hoof disease.  I dont want to keep giving more money under false pretense that we dont give them enuff.  The State Gov. budget is the issue.  Hunters/sportsmans recognize this and are upset with Disc. pass.  Without our support they hurt themselves as well as us I think.

[Goshawk]

Discover Pass???
And here I thought this posting was about hoof rot.

[Goshawk]

I can't help but wonder if the mild winters we have had over the past few years might have something to do with it. 
Consider if you would, what if the hoof rot pathogen was normally killed off by a hard freeze every winter much as the intestinal worm cycle is. The past few winters have had some snow, but not single digit freezes. It's been quite some time since my kids could skate on the duck ponds around here.
Something has indeed changed. Is it the weather? Different herbicides (One theory as to why the ruffed grouse population is so low. Grouse ingesting herbicide contaminated gravel.) Did we shoot out the best of the heard leaving the weak to spread bad genetics? Over stressed the elk from 4 months of hunting?
Lots of variables here that need exploring; Quickly Please!

[kentrek]

I can't help but wonder if the mild winters we have had over the past few years might have something to do with it. 
Consider if you would, what if the hoof rot pathogen was normally killed off by a hard freeze every winter much as the intestinal worm cycle is. The past few winters have had some snow, but not single digit freezes. It's been quite some time since my kids could skate on the duck ponds around here.
Something has indeed changed. Is it the weather? Different herbicides (One theory as to why the ruffed grouse population is so low. Grouse ingesting herbicide contaminated gravel.) Did we shoot out the best of the heard leaving the weak to spread bad genetics? Over stressed the elk from 4 months of hunting?
Lots of variables here that need exploring; Quickly Please!

  could be everything...... acting as the "perfect storm"

[Sitka_Blacktail]

  But after elk are culled and wolf pop. is high then what?

then i no longer hunt in WA

im a customer of the state,if they dont have better options than their competitors (montana,wyoming) i will move on

its their choice   

Unfortunately the game department does not view you as a customer of Wa. Hunting in Wa is viewed as a priviledge, not a right, not a population of customers, etc. I understand your point. Montana and Wyoming may have better options for hunting, but that is because they have a substantially bigger herd sizes and a number of different game species to provide.

Back to the hoof rott issue- I am curious to hear when the first documented case was discovered? I would also like to know what changes in fertilizers, pesticides, etc. the tree companies have made over the years. It would be interesting to see if a new chemical was entered into the habitat and if there is a coralation between it being introduced and the birth of hoof rott. I don't ever remember hearing of elk having hoof rott in the 80's or 90's. Fill me in....

Hey, if you want to get even deeper into conspiracies, ask yourself why the state requires so many different organs for sampling if you draw a cow tag in this area? FYI organs are often where chemicals become concentrated in the body. I think the Dept knows there is a problem and is documenting it, but I doubt they'll share that info with us.