Author Topic: zip gun/ pipe gun (Read 9326 times)

Fishaholic · « **on:** February 07, 2013, 05:51:55 PM »

has anyone every made one? are they legal to make? just wanted some info on them.

hillbilli · « **Reply #1 on:** February 08, 2013, 01:33:02 AM »

pretty sure it's a violation of federal law.. but lots of information on line for information purposes only on how to make homemade weapons..

high country · « **Reply #2 on:** February 08, 2013, 09:18:00 AM »

Commerce law offers some protection on home built guns...but it is complicated. I would look at the home gunsmith forum.....lots of info there.

Fishaholic · « **Reply #3 on:** February 08, 2013, 10:29:24 AM »

they are legal as long as they are in complyance of wa state law and i dont sell them to anyone. i looked it all up on the fbi's web site.

Zardoz · « **Reply #4 on:** February 08, 2013, 12:08:47 PM »

This is a skill people should learn, just in case..............

JohnVH · « **Reply #5 on:** February 08, 2013, 12:18:58 PM »

have not heard of a zip gun yet.

Fishaholic · « **Reply #6 on:** February 08, 2013, 01:36:21 PM »

Quote from: Zardoz on February 08, 2013, 12:08:47 PM

This is a skill people should learn, just in case..............

kinda why i said something. im going to try to make one and see how it comes out i have done research and during one of the wars a guy fought with someone and they used 2 pipes one with a fixed firing pin( the recever) and another pipe were ypu put the 12 gauge shell in and then when your ready put the one tube in the other then slap them together to fire and there are videos on you tube. just type in pipe gun. pretty cool i think

Smossy · « **Reply #7 on:** February 08, 2013, 01:38:57 PM »

Quote from: Zardoz on February 08, 2013, 12:08:47 PM

This is a skill people should learn, just in case..............

but

for that type of research. Better believe they have eyes looking for individuals doing this sort of thing. Not hard to keep track of keywords and phrases.

Smossy · « **Reply #8 on:** February 08, 2013, 01:40:47 PM »

ALWAYS nice to be prepared. Just like preppers learn to hotwire cars, pick locks, build gas masks out of charcoal. Its assentials that you may need to know if this country does fall. Law will no longer mean anything and people are going to be frantic. Cant say Im looking forward to that day, But I dont believe its not in our generations future.

Fl0und3rz · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2013, 02:02:53 PM »

See AOW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_II_weapons

Be aware.

Fishaholic · « **Reply #10 on:** February 08, 2013, 02:03:59 PM »

im not saying its to fight i can not afford a gun so i will make my own. its legal to do. so why not

Fishaholic · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2013, 02:08:34 PM »

Quote from: Fl0und3rz on February 08, 2013, 02:02:53 PM

See AOW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_II_weapons

Be aware.

as long as i build the gun to the legal lenghts i will be okay i already checked it out on the atf website

KFhunter · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2013, 02:10:29 PM »

Illegal under federal law

Don't do it.

Fl0und3rz · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2013, 02:11:31 PM »

The terms "zip gun/ pipe gun" are pretty open, and it may mean one thing to the author and a different thing to a reader.

So I just note that, while your understanding might not fit the AOW category subject to NFA laws, another might.

KFhunter · « **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2013, 02:14:11 PM »

"Any other weapon" is a "catch-all" category. An AOW as defined as "any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive," other than a handgun with a rifled barrel.[2] This umbrella definition includes many improvised firearms ("zip guns") and disguised firearms. Examples include wallet guns, cane guns, knife guns and pen guns.[18]
AOW is a complex and often misunderstood category of NFA firearms. Less obvious examples of AOW devices include:

KFhunter · « **Reply #15 on:** February 08, 2013, 02:17:11 PM »

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-nfa-aow.html

Making a zip gun could land you ten years and a fine, possessing a zip gun could land you another 10 years and a fine.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-nfa-aow.html

Fishaholic · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2013, 02:28:53 PM »

alrite but what about a pipe gun? the atf says i can make my own firearm as long as i dont sell it or give it away and it dosent need a serial number either.

Smossy · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2013, 02:31:20 PM »

Quote from: ddjj1991 on February 08, 2013, 02:28:53 PM

alrite but what about a pipe gun? the atf says i can make my own firearm as long as i dont sell it or give it away and it dosent need a serial number either.

Best bet. Just dont do it bro lol. Get some bear mace. That will drop any man apearantly.

Fishaholic · « **Reply #18 on:** February 08, 2013, 02:37:30 PM »

most likely its best for me to but my question is why can you buy gun parts and put them together but i cant make a gun out of a pipe and some wood? since its not worth me gerring throwin an jail for i wont be making one but i do think they are cool

Fl0und3rz · « **Reply #19 on:** February 08, 2013, 02:41:41 PM »

Quote from: ddjj1991 on February 08, 2013, 02:37:30 PM

most likely its best for me to but my question is why can you buy gun parts and put them together but i cant make a gun out of a pipe and some wood? since its not worth me gerring throwin an jail for i wont be making one but i do think they are cool

You can, so long as you are otherwise legal. That includes not running afoul of the AOW restrictions. Make it fit an exception to AOW such as "other than a handgun with a rifled barrel." Or make a standard, but not SBS or SBR, shotgun or rifle. If what you want to make falls under the NFA restrictions, you must pay your tax, submit your paperwork, and await authorization.

This says nothing about WA restrictions, which currently prevent ownership of SBS and SBR.

Fishaholic · « **Reply #20 on:** February 08, 2013, 02:49:37 PM »

so i just wont make one haha simple as that

Swannytheswan · « **Reply #21 on:** February 08, 2013, 07:07:08 PM »

so maybe don't make one but it isn't illegal to make your own gun why not try buying a 80% firearm and finishing it? AK receivers are about $20 if you can find them now then you can buy the parts kits as you go...or sarco used to have 1911 frames and I'm sure others make them as well...

Fishaholic · « **Reply #22 on:** February 08, 2013, 07:22:24 PM »

i have done that before helped build an ar and then a amd-65.

NWHydroprint · « **Reply #23 on:** February 09, 2013, 10:10:05 PM »

Make it so it fires black powder and does not use a cartridge than it not considered a firearm under fed law it becomes a muzzle loader.

Fishaholic · « **Reply #24 on:** February 09, 2013, 11:13:21 PM »

i could do that very easy

high country · « **Reply #25 on:** February 10, 2013, 11:07:38 AM »

It is not illegal to build your own guns.....but as I said earlier, its complicated and requires some reading and research. The guys on homegunsmith do it all the time, of course.....so did randy weaver.

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