Surplus Ammo & Arms

[Bean Counter]

....this criminal pricing scheme....

Yeah?

Wow, I should have filed indictments against all the floral shops in town for selling a dozen roses for 3x what they were selling for the prior week.

[SGTDuffman]

No, I was saying some of those companies selling the Magpul PMAGs are gouging the consumers. They still cost what they've always cost on most major sellers pages, which leads me to believe Magpul is still charging sellers what they've always charged. Then you have individual businesses like Surplus Arms & Ammo and CheaperThanDirt marking the magazines up to 5 and 10 times their price, while others like Brownells, DSGArms, etc are still selling them for about $12/ea. Get gouged if you want, but I won't be doing business with any company that employs such practices.

[gasman]

Better add J&S to that list then.

They are selling Pmags for $55 and highly increased there prices on most of there inventory.
I was told last week that when they get there BCG in they will up in the $400 range  They claimed that there supplier has raised there prices 

They are selling stripped lowers for $299 ($99 in Dec) and lower parts kits were selling for $100 last month (were only $75 in Dec.)

[KFhunter]

dayum

glad I bought what I needed before sandy hook

[jackelope]

....this criminal pricing scheme....

Yeah?

Wow, I should have filed indictments against all the floral shops in town for selling a dozen roses for 3x what they were selling for the prior week.

I did cave to that gouging.
 
Maybe we should have a class action lawsuit.

[SGTDuffman]

Better add J&S to that list then.

They are selling Pmags for $55 and highly increased there prices on most of there inventory.
I was told last week that when they get there BCG in they will up in the $400 range  They claimed that there supplier has raised there prices 

They are selling stripped lowers for $299 ($99 in Dec) and lower parts kits were selling for $100 last month (were only $75 in Dec.)

J&S Gunparts in Olympia? Their webpage still says PMAGs are $13. CheaperThanDirt still wins the dirtbag award. They're selling a single PMAG for $100.

I don't doubt that manufacturers may have raised prices a bit to offset their costs of running people on overtime or adding new shifts to meet demand and stuff, but there is no way the price should be 3+ times higher. Worst case I could see is them having to pay their employees double time to play catch up, even then that wouldn't double the price of the item because the entire cost of producing the item is not labor, part of the cost would be materials, logistics, etc.

[gasman]

Better add J&S to that list then.

They are selling Pmags for $55 and highly increased there prices on most of there inventory.
I was told last week that when they get there BCG in they will up in the $400 range  They claimed that there supplier has raised there prices 

They are selling stripped lowers for $299 ($99 in Dec) and lower parts kits were selling for $100 last month (were only $75 in Dec.)

J&S Gunparts in Olympia? Their webpage still says PMAGs are $13. CheaperThanDirt still wins the dirtbag award. They're selling a single PMAG for $100.

I don't doubt that manufacturers may have raised prices a bit to offset their costs of running people on overtime or adding new shifts to meet demand and stuff, but there is no way the price should be 3+ times higher. Worst case I could see is them having to pay their employees double time to play catch up, even then that wouldn't double the price of the item because the entire cost of producing the item is not labor, part of the cost would be materials, logistics, etc.

Yep, J&S in Oly. If you can order form ther web site for $13 then got for it because they are $55 in the store. I was there last weekend.

[actionshooter]

Better add J&S to that list then.

They are selling Pmags for $55 and highly increased there prices on most of there inventory.
I was told last week that when they get there BCG in they will up in the $400 range  They claimed that there supplier has raised there prices 

They are selling stripped lowers for $299 ($99 in Dec) and lower parts kits were selling for $100 last month (were only $75 in Dec.)

I do know that the guys J&S buy the lowers from have broke it off in their backside. John didn't want to pay that much but it was pay the price or not have any lowers. I also saw him PAYING .75 a round for 5.56 just to have some.
Not trying to stick up for the cost, just facts

[mountainman]

Better add J&S to that list then.

They are selling Pmags for $55 and highly increased there prices on most of there inventory.
I was told last week that when they get there BCG in they will up in the $400 range  They claimed that there supplier has raised there prices 

They are selling stripped lowers for $299 ($99 in Dec) and lower parts kits were selling for $100 last month (were only $75 in Dec.)

I do know that the guys J&S buy the lowers from have broke it off in their backside. John didn't want to pay that much but it was pay the price or not have any lowers. I also saw him PAYING .75 a round for 5.56 just to have some.
Not trying to stick up for the cost, just facts

Agreed. Not many understand the market balance betwenn demand, cost, pricing..Yes, there is alot of gouging going on, but cost rise, contrary to what some believe..just because a website has things listed at pre Sandy Hook prices, but have everything on backorder, or cancelling orders because of unability to fill?? Some will even sell some items at a loss to get customers their direction..and good for them if thats their gameplan. Its a crazy market as we all know and their are crazy business practices going on also. All depends on how bad a person wants/needs a product balanced with how long they will wait/pay for that item..been in this business many years and you will always have buyers at both ends of the spectrum..

[xd2005]

SAA just updated their Facebook page with an explanation.

It turns out they moved their FFL to the new store, but the transfer went faster than expected and the new Tacoma store is not ready yet. The new FFL for the Lakewood store is still in process. So Tacoma will be a continuation of the old Lakewood store and Lakewood will technically be a new location.

[Special T]

Here is an additional cost that some of you may not think of... Yes you have the overtime employee costs but that won't amount to so much on a per unit cost... HOWEVER when dealers order smaller shipments that are below the manufactures pre paid freight threshold then the cost can really go up per unit... Now granted its just a mag but.... If you are wanting what you get NOW I bet you could turn a $18 windowed Pmag into a 20-22 each mag when you are getting deliver as fast as possible and in whatever quantities you can get. 

[SGTDuffman]

I don't think anyone's talking about something going from $18 to $22 or $23 or even $10 to $20 or $25. I was talking about people selling PMAGs for $55 and $100 ea or selling a lower that was $65 before the hysteria to $250 or $300 now. A private seller doing it is one thing, you have no obligation to buy from them. A business doing it though? They are the middle man between us and the manufacturer. I won't do business with any company that exploits that position. If that means I can't have something right now, so be it. I'd rather wait and give my money to an honest business than deal with a company that exploits it's customers.

[Bean Counter]

... I won't do business with any company that exploits that position. If that means I can't have something right now, so be it. I'd rather wait and give my money to an honest business than deal with a company that exploits it's customers.

Once again, your word choice is rather telling.

There is nothing inherently dishonest about chosing the price point that they want to sell at, marking it at that point, and seeing how the market responds. If you've taken a business law class, you should know that an advertised price is merely a solicitation for offers. There's nothing against the law about you taking a product up to the counter and saying to the store owner "hey, I'll give you twenty bucks for this" and seeing how it goes.

I find you and the other whiners to be the more 'dishonest' in this story. I think a lot of you grumbling about how you'll never do business with x or y company again will probably be seen back in there sooner or later if prices return to normal. 

[mountainman]

... I won't do business with any company that exploits that position. If that means I can't have something right now, so be it. I'd rather wait and give my money to an honest business than deal with a company that exploits it's customers.

Once again, your word choice is rather telling.

There is nothing inherently dishonest about chosing the price point that they want to sell at, marking it at that point, and seeing how the market responds. If you've taken a business law class, you should know that an advertised price is merely a solicitation for offers. There's nothing against the law about you taking a product up to the counter and saying to the store owner "hey, I'll give you twenty bucks for this" and seeing how it goes.

I find you and the other whiners to be the more 'dishonest' in this story. I think a lot of you grumbling about how you'll never do business with x or y company again will probably be seen back in there sooner or later if prices return to normal. 

Agreed and well put!

[actionshooter]

 I won't put anyone down for selling THEIR product for what THEY want for it.  See where I am going? They own it, its theirs.
 Some people act like its a right to be buy what they want for what they believe is a reasonable price.
 
 Nothing wrong with not liking a buisiness practice and deciding you won't shop with them anymore. Thats a chance those guys are taking, but I'm not going to blame them either. Believe it or not this hysteria is going to be hard on gunshops in general.