The absurdity of WDFW draw system

[bucklucky]

You goofy guys that think they are owed a special permit. Come on, your playing the lottery . I just enjoy the CHANCE to draw a good tag and look forward to being turned down. There is plenty of good general season hunts to go on in washington. There are some good areas with BIG bulls that are general season tags on both the east and west side, same with buck tags. If you want better odds of drawing a good tag , put in for more states. Its no gimmie, I dont care if you have max points. Ive always said it was a Bonus if you draw. The absurdity is people always bitchng about the washington draws IMO. Good luck on the draws this year . IMO they are giving out way too many tags for special permits . Wish they would take some away .

[huntnnw]

Also thats your problem that u apply waiting on a E WA tag and NOT hunt..there is thousands of acres available to hunt in NE WA and its any bull or either sex and there are giants shot every year here and I have opportunities every year on bulls

[skywalker253]

You goofy guys that think they are owed a special permit. Come on, your playing the lottery . I just enjoy the CHANCE to draw a good tag and look forward to being turned down. There is plenty of good general season hunts to go on in washington. There are some good areas with BIG bulls that are general season tags on both the east and west side, same with buck tags. If you want better odds of drawing a good tag , put in for more states. Its no gimmie, I dont care if you have max points. Ive always said it was a Bonus if you draw. The absurdity is people always bitchng about the washington draws IMO. Good luck on the draws this year . IMO they are giving out way too many tags for special permits . Wish they would take some away .

Where do you come up with "people think they are owed a special permit?" Nobody has ever said that in this thread. The HuntWA members have been offerring their positive and negative opinions regarding the current draw system. They have also been offering suggestions on how to make it better in their opinion. Most on here have agreed it is a lottery and your are taking your chances. The members are simply bouncing ideas around within the forum.
I agree with you, that there are plenty of areas to harvest a nice bull. I don't agree that there are plenty of big bull areas on the Eastside to hunt during the general season. There are if you draw a special permit.

[bucklucky]

Skywalker, there are plenty of areas to hunt big bulls if you archery hunt . I did not make that clear in my statement , but there are some areas you can hunt with rifles for big bulls just have to research it and do some homework. And yes people do think they are owed a permit. Its obviouse on how they complain. I undestand how people want to make the draw system "better" . Only way I see fitting to make any draw system better is to 1 , go with no points ( that sure would ruffle up some feathers) and 2 make it so you have to choose either oil tags to put in for , or your deer, bear  and elk tags like Idaho. To me thats fair as fair can be. But then the guys with 15 points are gona cry because they feel that 50% of any permits need to go to the highest points ... and thats because they feel they are "owed" a special permit.  Get rid of the points , split the draw and call it good and fair. Carry on .   

[Curly]

Get rid of the points, split the draw and call it good and fair.

 

[Mr Mykiss]

That would work for sure. Idaho doesn't seem like they have a great system, I just started looking into it.
However, I think there would be a revolution, riot or at least a lawsuit filed by those that have a decent amount of points let alone the max points guys!!!

BL, how would you propose compensating those with 18 points? 10 points? 6 points? I think they are owed something... me I'm just a 2 point guy I like your idea 

[180-GRAIN]

I have never been drawn for branched antler tags for deer or elk only does and cows for me! I have been lucky enough to draw a moose tag with seven points so I'm not complaining there. My personal opinion is take what we have. We live in Washington state and the draw is what it is. I am up to 12 points for elk and 10 for deer and like I said have not been drawn for a bull or buck tag in my life. I'm plenty happy with waiting my turn and think everyone else should be to. If people are not they could always move away to a different state with different draw strategies. Problem solved right? I get that it's frustrating to not get drawn every year but we have to play the game Washington state has in place and just be patient and wait our turn.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

That would work for sure. Idaho doesn't seem like they have a great system, I just started looking into it.
However, I think there would be a revolution, riot or at least a lawsuit filed by those that have a decent amount of points let alone the max points guys!!!

BL, how would you propose compensating those with 18 points? 10 points? 6 points? I think they are owed something... me I'm just a 2 point guy I like your idea 

They already got what they had coming to them. They had better odds to draw the last few years than everybody else. If they didn't get drawn, that's chance for you.

Does a guy who buys $500 worth of lottery tickets have anything more coming to him than the guy who bought a $2 ticket? Nope, he had better odds to get drawn, but there are no guarantees.  The guys with 18 points already leapfrogged over everybody else for cow tags when the State created the new sub catagories and gifted them their points for them.

[Mr Mykiss]

Good point but the other categories are just the little guys...the BIG PAPA is the quality category.
I will never join the revolution even though it would benefit me...only because two of my best hunting partners have not drawn yet with max points.

[bucklucky]

My wife is sitting on a bunch of quality points as well.  Fingers crossed 

[huntnphool]

I like the Oregon system. Why not give 90% of the tags w/ the guys with the most points?  You know going in if you have a realistic chance of drawing and you can plan accordingly. If it takes to many points (years) to draw then you put in for a easier tag. There should be no complaints if you know it is going to take 17 years (I have 17 points) to draw. I don't like the fact that I have been putting in for that many years (for all species) and every year I get a Dear John letter. Just doesn't seem to be fair when you wait that long and someone has drawn the same permit 2 or 3 times. Washington easily has the worst system.

LMAO, this idea is as bad now as it was a couple months ago at the gmac meeting.

[huntnphool]

Washington easily has the worst system

I disagree TENFOLD

Me too!

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

Yeah, i disagree also. I have 15 points, and i would rather see my son have a chance with the 3 points he has then putting in 5 bucks for a point for him knowing he will never have a chance to draw a permit. At least right now he has a chance to draw.

The guys that are 65 have had there whole life to hunt the best washington has had to offer. The next 30-40 years are going to be even tougher as this state and country becomes more liberal and anti gun and anti hunting we need the younger generation to get into this, and if giving them a chance to draw a permit then so be it. I can hunt bulls every year, if i choose to apply for an east side permit and not hunt elk so be it. I can still hang with my boy and mentor him on his hunts. I dont believe in fair or not fair, hell life isn't fair, somebody has to win and somebody has to lose. But with the number of elk/person more will lose than win. Thus we have bitching and moaning rather than relishing the opportunities we do have.

[huntnphool]

Yeah, i disagree also. I have 15 points, and i would rather see my son have a chance with the 3 points he has then putting in 5 bucks for a point for him knowing he will never have a chance to draw a permit. At least right now he has a chance to draw.

The guys that are 65 have had there whole life to hunt the best washington has had to offer. The next 30-40 years are going to be even tougher as this state and country becomes more liberal and anti gun and anti hunting we need the younger generation to get into this, and if giving them a chance to draw a permit then so be it. I can hunt bulls every year, if i choose to apply for an east side permit and not hunt elk so be it. I can still hang with my boy and mentor him on his hunts. I dont believe in fair or not fair, hell life isn't fair, somebody has to win and somebody has to lose. But with the number of elk/person more will lose than win. Thus we have bitching and moaning rather than relishing the opportunities we do have.

Well said.

[steeleywhopper]

Here is my beef with the system:
 So lets say you draw a Quality bull tag and a cow tag. The way it is now you only get to shoot one or the other, not both. If the WDFW decided that X amout of cows need to be removed from said area and X amount of "Quality" bulls need removed from said  area then why are we only allowed to fill one tag? Let the person who draws two tags fill both! Obviously the WDFW came up with a specific amount of animals that were up for harvest, so let them be harvested. What the heck is the difference if someone with two special draw tags does it or the guy with one tag? Get rid of the possibility of someone drawing two tags or let them fill both tags. I think the system is flawed bigtime in this area. Right now tags are being wasted and not going to people who have payed into the game. Pisses me off to no end!