The absurdity of WDFW draw system

[kentrek]

I disagree. Many hunters simply want to hunt together w/friends & family every year. Making it draw only would break up all those groups and make people look at out of state tags or worse - give up hunting all together. If it was a draw, there are much better places to apply than here in WA. If you ask me, there are way too many special tags available now for mule deer hunts just so the WDFW can get extra money from the application process and the mult-season licenses. The harvest from all these special tags takes away from the general season. All for the sake of the almight dollar$$$.

I realize it's what many hunters WANT, but what's the point if there is nothing to hunt? Theoretically these groups of people could still get together at the same time every year, and go on a camping trip. Right? They could bring a camera instead of a gun (maybe try for some wolf photographs.) Or instead of hunting deer like they're accustomed to, hunt predators (bobcats, coyotes, cougar, bear.)

Or like you said, hunt deer in another state.

What? Hunt with a camera? Go camping instead? I usually tend to agree with you but this is crazy. It seems like all your concerned with is hunting horn. Some people do enjoy hunting with thier family. My dad and uncle taught me to hunt. I still hunt with them even if they are older now and cant get around like they used to. I belive in paying it foward so i will continue to pack out thier animals. Im also happy that my son is able to learn the wealth of hunting/life lessons that only hunting camp can provide.

I could not agree with you more. Go on a camping trip? Go search for wolves to take photos? Are you serious Bobby Kitten? I'm trying to determine who is more strong in their opinions. Bobby "I tell it like it is" Kitten or Huntn "I know everything about everything" Phool. Bobby Kitten is by far the most negative person on Hunt-Wa, but I love your style because you tend to go aganist the majority. I love that about you. Huntnphool is by far the self proclaimed "genius" of hunting. He is the guy that goes to all the sportsman shows to tell his "Fish Stories" of hunting. I read his posts and get embarassed for the guy. I feel bad....somebody needs to pull this guy aside and let him know he comes off like a "Meatball" in this forum. The famous "Lock the Gates" thread was the thread of the year. LMFAO....

lol you must be drunker than me cuz your the one sounding like a "meatball"  just being honest..figured i might as well say it 
 
im glad for the perspectives of both bobcat and huntnphool..we need sound minds to stop tyranny of the majority..esp when the majority is as lazy as it is...if everyone thought like you do ya think the world would be a better place ? think hard on that for a day or two.... no hard feelings 

[skywalker253]

 

I have said it before and I will say it again "I don't care what the forum thinks." If I did, I would not post. I know I rub people the wrong way, because I am alot like Bobby Kitten with my posts. I tell it like it is, and I call it how I see it. For some, that pisses them off, but others respect it. Nobody can argue that "everything about everything" is by far the most condaceding individual within this forum. And we all know he has a personal issue towards natives. My wife and kids are enrolled tribal members, so I tend to take his comments towards natives personal; despite the fact that I support his opinions towards natives, who abuse their rights. At least we agree on something...

[kentrek]

I have said it before and I will say it again "I don't care what the forum thinks." If I did, I would not post. I know I rub people the wrong way, because I am alot like Bobby Kitten with my posts. I tell it like it is, and I call it how I see it. For some, that pisses them off, but others respect it. Nobody can argue that "everything about everything" is by far the most condaceding individual within this forum. And we all know he has a personal issue towards natives. My wife and kids are enrolled tribal members, so I tend to take his comments towards natives personal; despite the fact that I support his opinions towards natives, who abuse their rights. At least we agree on something...

  time to get back to the..

[Sitka_Blacktail]

How about STOP paying land owners for game damages, who are SUPPOSE to open up their land to the public for submitting damage claims. In the end they open up a minimal portion of land, which generally has NO game on it to satisfy the game department requirements. In the meantime they recieve land owner permits and harvest game in the areas, which the public should be hunting in the first place. What a waste of the game departments budget.

I'm with you there. If you take public money for crop damage, you open your land to public hunting. Otherwise, you're on your own. And no landowner tags.

[skywalker253]

How about STOP paying land owners for game damages, who are SUPPOSE to open up their land to the public for submitting damage claims. In the end they open up a minimal portion of land, which generally has NO game on it to satisfy the game department requirements. In the meantime they recieve land owner permits and harvest game in the areas, which the public should be hunting in the first place. What a waste of the game departments budget.

I'm with you there. If you take public money for crop damage, you open your land to public hunting. Otherwise, you're on your own. And no landowner tags.

I agree with you. I am just pointing out that land owners, who get tags are not exactly being honest with the public or the game department, in terms of the land avaliable for the public to hunt.

[huntnphool]

I have said it before and I will say it again "I don't care what the forum thinks." If I did, I would not post. I know I rub people the wrong way, because I am alot like Bobby Kitten with my posts. I tell it like it is, and I call it how I see it. For some, that pisses them off, but others respect it. Nobody can argue that "everything about everything" is by far the most condaceding individual within this forum. And we all know he has a personal issue towards natives. My wife and kids are enrolled tribal members, so I tend to take his comments towards natives personal; despite the fact that I support his opinions towards natives, who abuse their rights. At least we agree on something...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it should not come with the intentional contempt and insolence you are displaying toward Bob. Say what you want about me, your drunken slur means nothing, but Bob was simply expressing his opinion and has the privilege to do so. For you to mock his site name is disrespectful and a obvious attempt at confrontation, both of which shed light on your diminishing character and disposition.

[WAcoueshunter]

My take is that people are opposed to a 100% draw system without fully understanding how it can work.  Believe it or not, Wyoming is 100% draw for antelope (even residents), and they've got more antelope than tweety birds.  But it helps to spread out the pressure, is a great tool for herd management, and makes for a more enjoyable hunt for everyone.  You can still hunt every year, or you can choose to hold out for the primo units.  And if you're willing to take a leftover tag or draw your second choice (after all the first choices have been filled), then you can do both.  Arizona's draw system works similarly in a more populated state, and does a pretty good job of providing both opportunity and quality.

[sakoshooter]

If we really want to up our chances of drawing a quality tag or even an antlerless tag, let's get the WDFW to change the way they draw out the winners each year.
The only thing that separates applicants is the hunt number. 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th choice applicants are all lumped together in each drawing according to hunt number. Myself, I don't feel it's fair for a 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice applicant to be drawn ahead of a 1st choice applicant in any given hunt choice.
I'd like to see only 1st choice applicants competing against each other for any given hunt choice and whatever is left over could be awarded via a drawing for 2nd, 3rd and 4th consecutively.
This would greatly reduce applicants for any given hunt plus greatly up the odds for those with the highest number of points.
I've heard from more than a few hunters that received a tag for their latter choices only to not go on the hunt because it really wasn't what they wanted. I'll bet a lot more of this goes on than we'll ever know.
And another thing that is simply assinine in WA's draw is to issue multiple tags for the same species for the same season. A co-worker of mine drew a cow tag in one unit and a quality bull tag in another for the same dates. He hunted the quality tag but lost all his points for cow since he was drawn.
You'd think that since this is computerized, it could be easily programed to prevent this. It could be set up to automatically void the lesser of the two when you double draw.

[Alan K]

If we really want to up our chances of drawing a quality tag or even an antlerless tag, let's get the WDFW to change the way they draw out the winners each year.
The only thing that separates applicants is the hunt number. 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th choice applicants are all lumped together in each drawing according to hunt number. Myself, I don't feel it's fair for a 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice applicant to be drawn ahead of a 1st choice applicant in any given hunt choice.
I'd like to see only 1st choice applicants competing against each other for any given hunt choice and whatever is left over could be awarded via a drawing for 2nd, 3rd and 4th consecutively.
This would greatly reduce applicants for any given hunt plus greatly up the odds for those with the highest number of points.
I've heard from more than a few hunters that received a tag for their latter choices only to not go on the hunt because it really wasn't what they wanted. I'll bet a lot more of this goes on than we'll ever know.

I agree completely.  It would basically have the same effect as limiting everyone to a single hunt choice, but then hopefully fill some of the few under subscribed hunts at the same time.

That makes me laugh to hear about people who apply for a hunt and don't go on it because it's not what they wanted. . . Why put it down on the application then? I don't think I'll ever understand that.

And another thing that is simply assinine in WA's draw is to issue multiple tags for the same species for the same season. A co-worker of mine drew a cow tag in one unit and a quality bull tag in another for the same dates. He hunted the quality tag but lost all his points for cow since he was drawn.
You'd think that since this is computerized, it could be easily programed to prevent this. It could be set up to automatically void the lesser of the two when you double draw.

In that case the system is working exactly as planned. The whole point of the new draw system, aside from taking more money out of our pockets, is to allow people to build points in categories while actually applying in others. It's a gamble to apply for multiple permits for the same species rather than just one and points in the rest.  When enough people get burned like your co-worker maybe they'll quit applying in multiple categories and increase the odds for everyone.

[sakoshooter]

And another thing that is simply assinine in WA's draw is to issue multiple tags for the same species for the same season. A co-worker of mine drew a cow tag in one unit and a quality bull tag in another for the same dates. He hunted the quality tag but lost all his points for cow since he was drawn.
You'd think that since this is computerized, it could be easily programed to prevent this. It could be set up to automatically void the lesser of the two when you double draw.

In that case the system is working exactly as planned. The whole point of the new draw system, aside from taking more money out of our pockets, is to allow people to build points in categories while actually applying in others. It's a gamble to apply for multiple permits for the same species rather than just one and points in the rest.  When enough people get burned like your co-worker maybe they'll quit applying in multiple categories and increase the odds for everyone.
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The system shouldn't be designed to 'burn' anybody. We pay thru the nose for this system and the people that run it. It needs to be designed with hunters best interest in mind. And the animals we hunt. Not to take our money and burn us.

[Alan K]

It's designed to give someone the option of risking being burned, or playing it safe.  Losing potentially years of points by drawing multiple permits is designed to be a deterrent to putting in for multiple categories, which is designed to increase draw odds.  If everyone were able to apply for everything and rank their permit priorities, everyone would put in for everything and tank the odds worse than they have ever been. 

I hope everyone whines on here and every other form of media possible when they draw multiple permits in the same year and 'wastes' (even though they can still participate on each hunt until they fill their tag) their points.  Like I said before, the more people quit applying in several categories, the more everyone's odds will go up. 

[skywalker253]

I have said it before and I will say it again "I don't care what the forum thinks." If I did, I would not post. I know I rub people the wrong way, because I am alot like Bobby Kitten with my posts. I tell it like it is, and I call it how I see it. For some, that pisses them off, but others respect it. Nobody can argue that "everything about everything" is by far the most condaceding individual within this forum. And we all know he has a personal issue towards natives. My wife and kids are enrolled tribal members, so I tend to take his comments towards natives personal; despite the fact that I support his opinions towards natives, who abuse their rights. At least we agree on something...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it should not come with the intentional contempt and insolence you are displaying toward Bob. Say what you want about me, your drunken slur means nothing, but Bob was simply expressing his opinion and has the privilege to do so. For you to mock his site name is disrespectful and a obvious attempt at confrontation, both of which shed light on your diminishing character and disposition.

I like Bob. I think I said that already. I call him Bobby Kitten and he calls me Luke; so big deal. I am sure Bob does not need you to defend him. And if he took my comment serious, then he would have likely responded. He knows I was just poking fun. You are just being all drama and making something out of nothing. Kinda like when you got my cell number and blew my phone up for 2 weeks. Then you got mad cus I blew you off, because you would not leave me alone. Too bad I don't drink, but that was just another one of your cheap shots towards natives.

[Bob33]

"The absurdity of WDFW draw system".

Let's think about that. No one on here appears to like it, but most everyone keeps playing the game so revenues to WDFW are up.

Absurd, or brilliant?

[huntnphool]

I have said it before and I will say it again "I don't care what the forum thinks." If I did, I would not post. I know I rub people the wrong way, because I am alot like Bobby Kitten with my posts. I tell it like it is, and I call it how I see it. For some, that pisses them off, but others respect it. Nobody can argue that "everything about everything" is by far the most condaceding individual within this forum. And we all know he has a personal issue towards natives. My wife and kids are enrolled tribal members, so I tend to take his comments towards natives personal; despite the fact that I support his opinions towards natives, who abuse their rights. At least we agree on something...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it should not come with the intentional contempt and insolence you are displaying toward Bob. Say what you want about me, your drunken slur means nothing, but Bob was simply expressing his opinion and has the privilege to do so. For you to mock his site name is disrespectful and a obvious attempt at confrontation, both of which shed light on your diminishing character and disposition.

I like Bob. I think I said that already. I call him Bobby Kitten and he calls me Luke; so big deal. I am sure Bob does not need you to defend him. And if he took my comment serious, then he would have likely responded. He knows I was just poking fun. You are just being all drama and making something out of nothing. Kinda like when you got my cell number and blew my phone up for 2 weeks. Then you got mad cus I blew you off, because you would not leave me alone. Too bad I don't drink, but that was just another one of your cheap shots towards natives.

LOL You are funny.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

"The absurdity of WDFW draw system".

Let's think about that. No one on here appears to like it, but most everyone keeps playing the game so revenues to WDFW are up.

Absurd, or brilliant?

Not everybody Bob. It only took getting an any season tag once to figure out what a scam that draw is. Money money money. I quit putting in for that and cut way back on the other draws I put in for.