Morgan's point ranch pointing labs

[dustysags]

Hi guys I've been doing a ton of research about all the pointing labs breeders is Washington state. I know of tri lab, tiger mountain and Morgan's point labs. I really want to know more about Morgan's point and there fox red labs. Has anyone hunted with on or even better own one? How's there point? Birdy dogs?

[Happy Gilmore]

One was at my house yesterday. Nice dog. I know his brother John pretty well.

[Happy Gilmore]

Do you know why labs point? Because they're scared of the birds! Lol

[dustysags]

I'm almost positive I'm going to get a pup from there fall litter. I've been talking to them a bit and everything sounds good just want to know if anyone else has any info on them. Thanks

[BOWHUNTER45]

 I just got a Golden lab but it was from a friend who has Johns breed of Pointing labs from Tiger MT ... I contacted john @ Tiger Mt and ask him some questions about the dogs and how I need to train my dog to point if I choose too ! Very nice guy ..I would highly reccomend his pups 

[wildweeds]

Actually you shouldn't need to "Train" your dog to "point",it should be inherited trait if bred correctly.

I just got a Golden lab but it was from a friend who has Johns breed of Pointing labs from Tiger MT ... I contacted john @ Tiger Mt and ask him some questions about the dogs and how I need to train my dog to point if I choose too ! Very nice guy ..I would highly reccomend his pups 

[Happy Gilmore]

I just got a Golden lab but it was from a friend who has Johns breed of Pointing labs from Tiger MT ... I contacted john @ Tiger Mt and ask him some questions about the dogs and how I need to train my dog to point if I choose too ! Very nice guy ..I would highly reccomend his pups 

What is a Golden Lab? Is that half Golden Retriever?

[Stilly bay]

I just got a Golden lab but it was from a friend who has Johns breed of Pointing labs from Tiger MT ... I contacted john @ Tiger Mt and ask him some questions about the dogs and how I need to train my dog to point if I choose too ! Very nice guy ..I would highly reccomend his pups 

What is a Golden Lab? Is that half Golden Retriever?

they are the densest of the labradors.

[Happy Gilmore]

I just got a Golden lab but it was from a friend who has Johns breed of Pointing labs from Tiger MT ... I contacted john @ Tiger Mt and ask him some questions about the dogs and how I need to train my dog to point if I choose too ! Very nice guy ..I would highly reccomend his pups 

What is a Golden Lab? Is that half Golden Retriever?

they are the densest of the labradors.

as in weight?

[Stilly bay]

I just got a Golden lab but it was from a friend who has Johns breed of Pointing labs from Tiger MT ... I contacted john @ Tiger Mt and ask him some questions about the dogs and how I need to train my dog to point if I choose too ! Very nice guy ..I would highly reccomend his pups 

What is a Golden Lab? Is that half Golden Retriever?

they are the densest of the labradors.

as in weight?

golden labs are two times heavier than a silver lab of comparable dimensions.

Happy, whats your take on the state of the pointing lab today?

[Happy Gilmore]

I just got a Golden lab but it was from a friend who has Johns breed of Pointing labs from Tiger MT ... I contacted john @ Tiger Mt and ask him some questions about the dogs and how I need to train my dog to point if I choose too ! Very nice guy ..I would highly reccomend his pups 

What is a Golden Lab? Is that half Golden Retriever?

they are the densest of the labradors.

as in weight?

golden labs are two times heavier than a silver lab of comparable dimensions.

Happy, whats your take on the state of the pointing lab today?

lol... Labs only point because they're scared of the birds!

[KopperBuck]

I just got a Golden lab but it was from a friend who has Johns breed of Pointing labs from Tiger MT ... I contacted john @ Tiger Mt and ask him some questions about the dogs and how I need to train my dog to point if I choose too ! Very nice guy ..I would highly reccomend his pups 

What is a Golden Lab? Is that half Golden Retriever?

they are the densest of the labradors.

In the head.. Lol. Density has nothing to do with weight, but they are great pups.

[wildweeds]

I've hunted with two pointing labs,including one from Tiger mountain............ the dog was never "Trained" to point,pretty nice dog actually.Would I have one, no but as such it's a horses for courses thing,theres a truck made for every kind of butt and a dog made for every kind of hunter.

[Dhoey07]

Check out Snake River Pointing Labs.  Quite a drive for ya, but i would recommend them 100%.  This is boomer at 8 weeks showing good hesitation, while looking at a grouse wing

[Happy Gilmore]

That's building on a hesitation when you use a fishing pole or anything you jerk away from the dog.

It's a big misunderstanding that folks have that when a dog holds still it is pointing. For many dogs without natural point, you simply build on a hesitation. Almost all half way intelligent animals have a hesitation before pouncing on their prey. It's a by-product of stalking. When using a fishing pole with a feather, you keep jerking it away from the dog when it pounces. Dogs aren't stupid. They'll eventually give in and agree they will not get the bird when they jump at it.

Now, where do you incorporate the reward for holding still? That can come later yet, dog winds bird, holds still as it has been trained since 6 weeks old, bird flushes and either flies away and dog is given a dead bird from the pocket or bird is shot and dog is allowed to retrieve the bird.(on a check cord as pup)

This type of training reinforces an intelligent dogs' natural tendancy of a hesitation. I had a 2 year old Chessie Rescue dog for a while. Never seen a bird before. I put out a pigeon in some grass. Dog, not having a clue what a bird was this closely winded the bird but, couldn't see it. Dog cracked the tail high and froze. The dog was doing what all dogs have in them naturally. It didn't know what was in the grass so it stopped and started using other senses to try and determine what it was holding out of sight.

Genetics. Because the bird was a mystery to the dog, never seen one it had no idea if it what it was smelling could be dangerous. Do you expect a dog to wind a porcupine and just launch into the grass without seeing it, land right on top of it? Nature's genetics give animals some amount of protection. Does this mean they won't challenge a porcupine later? No. They'll will when they see it moving, trying to escape. This brings along "prey drive".

Just about any dog can be taught to point. How much natural point is in any given dog? That is always debatable although, some have more natural hesitation tendency than others  in my opinion. Bert Carlson from here in Fall City was likely the very first man in the US to have documented training a lab to point. He was on a television show in the early 1960's. Many folks make the claim to be the "first" but, few have any real documentation other than their stories.

When it comes to pointing labs, (really not putting them down at all and no offense meant in any way) I feel they are more of a novice owner marketing and selling point than perfection of purpose. "Red, Silver" etc, they are fads which don't add any positive attributes to the overall gene pool. They just add more money in the sellers pockets for the purpose of novelty.