Solution found for hoof rot in SW Washington?

[pd]

I am not trying to be flippant here, so please don't flame me.  (From 3/1/2013 Seattle Times)

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020467792_wolfmanagementxml.html

This article originally came from the Wenatchee World.  I understand from this article that WDFW expects breeding pairs of wolves to reach the "SW region" (which includes the Olympic Peninsula) in the next year or two (that would mean 2014 or 2015).  If so, then we should all be prepared for breeding wolves throughout the state in short order.

The healthy populations of Roosevelt elk on the Olympic peninsula should be able to hold their own, but I guess that the weakened herds in SW Washington will get hit hard.  Thus, a solution to the disease?

[Mudman]

That is what I have been telling everyone for a year.  I believe it to be an intentional strategy.

[elk247]

Interesting. Guess only time will tell if two wrong's can make a right. 

[kentrek]

all fingers point toward the introduction of chemicals in the tree farm business..thats where the solution will be

wolfs will kill them ya..but it wont stop more hoof rot from happening



wolfs+hoof rot = no hunting...at least for the some

[Mudman]

I wonder if the spraying from weyco damages or inhibits the natural antibodies of the elk to fight of the bacteria or fungi in some way?  I wonder if weyco would be smart and dumb enough to do that intentionally?  I think not but who knows as it would solve their problem of tree damage?    Most dont believe but I believe wolves have already been around Helens the last two years and as they breed more will show up very soon. 

[HookedOnQuack]

i have seen pics from the loggers that work in and around Hancock in Eatonville that have seen lone wolves roaming thru for at least the last 2 years

[madmack76]

I have seen wolves in randle off the 23 road in 2010 and in 2011, me and my dad  saw them and reported them, of course we were blown off and in 2012 we saw them in the Margret area, they are here already, and wont take long to take over. There is a reason they were exterminated before. Its just that with all our fancy technology we cant figure it out, go figure.

[cem3434]

i have seen pics from the loggers that work in and around Hancock in Eatonville that have seen lone wolves roaming thru for at least the last 2 years

I have a very creditable friend that has seen a lone wolf in the same area.

[cem3434]

I have seen wolves in randle off the 23 road in 2010 and in 2011, me and my dad  saw them and reported them, of course we were blown off and in 2012 we saw them in the Margret area, they are here already, and wont take long to take over. There is a reason they were exterminated before. Its just that with all our fancy technology we cant figure it out, go figure.

Until WDFW confirms wolves in the area, they are just big coyotes. Shoot them all!

[Mudman]

Thanks guys!  You would be surprised how many hunt wa guys have argued they are not up there because they have been all over and not seen them.?  I too have a friend who has seen em a few years ago close to Margeret.  Wolves are amazing animals and it would not be wise to underestimate their prowess.  My neighbor tells me stories of the wolves in capitol forest when he was a kid and his father was logging.  Neat, and not grey wolves.

[HookedOnQuack]

I have seen wolves in randle off the 23 road in 2010 and in 2011, me and my dad  saw them and reported them, of course we were blown off and in 2012 we saw them in the Margret area, they are here already, and wont take long to take over. There is a reason they were exterminated before. Its just that with all our fancy technology we cant figure it out, go figure.

Until WDFW confirms wolves in the area, they are just big coyotes. Shoot them all!

the first time he reported it to WDFW they wouldnt even come and look at the tracks or his pictures and then last summer when he saw one off Scott Turner Rd they told him it just looked like a big coyote!

[Curly]

I have wondered if the increase in hoof rot is related to the Clean Air Act?  Hoof rot seems to be on the rise since the Clean Air Act has been implemented.

What the Clean Air Washington Act does
Reduces emissions from slash burning through a phased approach, based on 1985-89 averages:
20 percent by the year 1995; and 50 percent by the year 2001.
Directs DNR to develop and implement a plan to achieve the reductions.
Declares that the emission reduction requirements apply to all forest land (including federal land) in Washington.
Directs DNR to encourage alternative disposal methods in the following priority:

production of less slash;
better use of slash;
disposal without burning; and slash burning.

https://fortress.wa.gov/ecy/publications/publications/fa9214.pdf

It just seems to me that clear cuts used to be burned after logging and now they are sprayed with chemicals to kill weeds.  Just seems like adding chemicals to the environment would cause negative effects.......maybe it allows the bacteria to remain in the soil.

[bearpaw]

I am not trying to be flippant here, so please don't flame me.  (From 3/1/2013 Seattle Times)

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020467792_wolfmanagementxml.html

This article originally came from the Wenatchee World.  I understand from this article that WDFW expects breeding pairs of wolves to reach the "SW region" (which includes the Olympic Peninsula) in the next year or two (that would mean 2014 or 2015).  If so, then we should all be prepared for breeding wolves throughout the state in short order.

The healthy populations of Roosevelt elk on the Olympic peninsula should be able to hold their own, but I guess that the weakened herds in SW Washington will get hit hard.  Thus, a solution to the disease?

This thought pattern is partially correct and partially wrong!

Yes the wolves will eat the weakest (easiest) elk first, then they eat youngest and oldest (easiest) elk next, then when the wolves are done with the young and old they eat the healthy elk. When the healthy elk are reduced in numbers and too hard to hunt the wolves will start eating anything else there or move to another area. After all they are wolves and they must eat.

The same pattern of decimation will occur in the Oympics, there is no reason to think the depletion of elk will be any different from any other Park or Wilderness area that wolves have over taken. Once the Park has been decimated the wolves will be forced to enter surrounding areas, they have to eat.

[buckfvr]

Thats not a solution, thats a hope and a prayer.......I mean a lie....   Wolvesw will get there, but they arent a cure to hoof rot.

[kentrek]

 


why isnt the peta/animal people trying to help out ? seems like solving this would be right up there ally..really shows how much they care for the humane treatment of animals..esp  if its the fault of man

[HuntNFish]

In the Oly Pen area?  Really? Like release them in the Oly Park? or Willipa Hills?  Not a smart idea IMO.  This area isn't the Cascades, its a small geographical area and wolves travel fast and will go where ever for food.  And since the WDFW can't seem to track and provide any real clue on how many wolves we really have, this is very bad news for all living and using the resources in this area.  My only thought is that there are many tribes in the Olympic areas, lets hope they put the finger to the WDFW when it comes to this subject, and they have open season on them in their territories.  All I can say is if wolves are introduced into my hunting ground outside of Forks, it would crush the elk & deer population.   But that seems to be what WDFW wants.  Take the governments money vs the tag money from hunters, sounds like WDFW doesn't care where they get the money.  Thanks WDFW for NOT managing and protecting the wildlife resources for the people of this state, its apparent they are running this dept. based on what they think the majority of people want, even though the majority of them don't fish or hunt and use the resources.  What a shame of a dept. we have.  They have an attitude of we are smarter than the next guy.  With the problems that Idaho & Montana & Wyoming are having with wolves, why does our dept. think those problems won't happen here.  News flash, they know and hope it will happen.  They will get money from the loss of tag revenue from the government so its no skin off their backs.    All I can say is if I am confronted in the woods with those BIG coyotes, I will defend myself and put them down in the dirt because I would rather be judged by 12 than be carried by 6.

[Mudman]

Theres already big wolves around Forks!  Havent you seen the Twilight movies? 

[AspenBud]

I'm betting the timber companies in Western Washington won't cry much at the site of wolves on their tree farms. They generally consider deer to be pests so anything that takes them out...

My bet is first we'll see a major drop in elk and deer populations, then the wolves will starve and/or be shot, and from there on you can expect far fewer deer and elk.

It will get worse before it gets "better," but better simply means balance will establish itself. Doesn't do big game hunters or big game in general any good.

The ship is sailing.

[buckfvr]

As herds get wiped out, certain hunts will be eliminated, and everything else will be permit.  No moose permits, few elk permits, and only a few deer permits............If not out right protection , end of hunting in many units.

If we loose as many animals here as they did in Idaho, there wont be any to be found here.................