I have a Win. mod. 70, Youth. I don't shoot much, so for now I shoot factory loads. Rem. Corelocks 140 gr. work very well. It's a tack driver. I head shot my buck last year at 225yds and had a extra doe tag, head shot her at 150 yds. My girls shoot it and love it. And hve taken several deer with it, a lot of them in the head also.