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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #285 on: March 15, 2013, 01:46:16 PM »
 PROOF is only as good as your ability to enforce/expose it. LOTS of $$$ will be needed to make sure it just doesn't get swept under the carpet. You are likley going to need a lawsuit, and a bunch of air time. :twocents:


On a completely seperate note... Anyone remeber the aprox date of the wolves sighted on the skagit river with the gals pics? I've tried doing a couple of searches and can't find it. thanks
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #286 on: March 15, 2013, 01:51:03 PM »
PROOF is only as good as your ability to enforce/expose it. LOTS of $$$ will be needed to make sure it just doesn't get swept under the carpet. You are likley going to need a lawsuit, and a bunch of air time. :twocents:

Or a reporter willing to ask the right questions and report it
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #287 on: March 15, 2013, 02:05:33 PM »
I found the pic after a little more seaching...
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #288 on: March 15, 2013, 02:15:17 PM »
I have been told by one of my drivers that her brother works for WDFW and that he has been involved with the relocation of wolves into the Willapa Hills area. No, I don't have any proof only hearsay, but she has said that next time he is in the area she will introduce me to him and I will ask him straight up if it is true.
If this is true would the WDFW have to follow the same rules and regulations for relocation as they would for reintroduction into the state?

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« Reply #289 on: March 15, 2013, 02:18:50 PM »


My opinion regarding the dishonesty of WDFW and the wolves is not in the release of them. I don't think they ever released them. I do think/know that officials know about a lot more wolves than they acknowledge. There's a lot more packs around than they're "confirming". Slow-boating our way to delisting.
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #290 on: March 15, 2013, 02:49:41 PM »
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #291 on: March 15, 2013, 03:01:34 PM »
It's no secret that there are more wolves than have been "confirmed," and the WDFW knows that and admits that.


WASHINGTON DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE
NEWS RELEASE
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091


           
February 15, 2013
Contact: Donny Martorello, 360-902-2521
Nate Pamplin, (360) 902-2693

State’s wolf population nearly doubled
last year, according to annual survey


OLYMPIA – The number of confirmed gray wolves and wolf packs in the state nearly doubled during the past year, according to an annual survey released today by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).

Based on field reports and aerial monitoring, the 2012 survey confirms the presence of at least 51 wolves in nine wolf packs with a total of five successful breeding pairs. The previous year’s survey documented 27 wolves, five wolf packs and three breeding pairs.

A wolf pack is defined as two or more wolves traveling together. A successful breeding pair is defined as an adult male and female with at least two pups that survive until the end of the calendar year.

“The survey shows that our state’s wolf population is growing quickly,” said Nate Pamplin, WDFW wildlife program director. “That growth appears to be the result of both natural reproduction and the continuing in-migration of wolves from Canada and neighboring states.”

Pamplin said the actual number of wolves in Washington state is likely much higher than the number confirmed by the survey, noting that field biologists currently suspect the existence of two additional packs. In addition, lone wolves often go uncounted and those that range into Washington but den in other states are not included in WDFW’s survey, he said.

Considering those factors, and applying an estimate of the average pack size in other western states, there could easily be as many as 100 wolves in Washington, Pamplin said.

“The survey is the baseline we use to monitor wolves’ progress toward recovery,” he said. “While we’ve stepped up our monitoring efforts significantly over the past year, we recognize that it does not account for every wolf within our state’s borders.”

One of the nine packs represented in the survey is the Wedge pack, which now has two confirmed members in northeastern Washington. Last summer, WDFW eliminated seven members of the pack to end a series of attacks on an area rancher’s cattle that left six calves dead and 10 other animals injured.

Pamplin said wildlife biologists do not know whether the two wolves living near the Canadian border in Stevens County are members of the original Wedge pack or whether they are new arrivals from inside or koutside the state.

“Either way, we were confident that wolves would repopulate that area,” he said. “We really hope to prevent the kind of situation we faced with the Wedge pack last summer by working with ranchers to use non-lethal methods to protect their livestock.”

The gray wolf is currently listed by the state as an endangered species throughout Washington and is federally listed as endangered in the western two-thirds of the state. Once common, wolves were essentially eliminated in most western states during the past century because they preyed on livestock.

Under the state’s Wolf Conservation and Management Plan, wolves can be removed from the state’s endangered species list once 15 successful breeding pairs are documented for three consecutive years among three designated wolf-recovery regions. Four pairs are required in Eastern Washington, four pairs in the North Cascades, four pairs in South Cascades/Northwest Coast and three pairs in any recovery region.

More information on the state’s wolf packs and the 2012 survey is available at http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/.

Reports of possible wolf sightings can be made to WDFW’s wildlife reporting line by calling (877) 933-9847.

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« Reply #292 on: March 15, 2013, 03:29:36 PM »
They can do better than that. 51 and maybe more? For a bunch of wildlife "professionals" they should be able to do better than that. 
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #293 on: March 15, 2013, 04:19:37 PM »
Well, with the economy the way it is, and the lack of funding because of that, I don't really expect them to have the personnel it would take to really get an accurate count.

They really don't have a clue as to how many cougars we have. And they admit that. I wouldn't expect it to be any different with wolves. It takes a heck of a lot of time and money to accurately count populations of any wild animal.

Now if wolves were their only priority I could see them doing a better job. But I don't really want them to ignore everything else, do you?

What about the elk with hoof rot issue? People are demanding that they make that a priority. We can't expect them to do everything. Unless they somehow can be provided with another source of funding.

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #294 on: March 15, 2013, 04:32:38 PM »
Should be pretty simple.  Delist wolves in the eastern 1/3 of the state; allow shoot on sight status for wolves there.  Then for the rest of the State, allow people to protect themselves, livestock, and pets by shooting any wolf that gets too close.  I don't see why they really need more funding...... :dunno:
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #295 on: March 15, 2013, 05:22:05 PM »
Bobcat, I wouldn't say the government planted them, but they at the very least they allowed them to be planted. Where did the wolves in the southern cascades come from? Oregon? And yes I am fully aware of how far wolves can travel, but I don't think wolves just decided to pack up and leave there home to come down here to set up camp for the fun of it. Animals don't migrate for a change of scenery, they pretty much just migrate for food. Was Canada running out of game? Maybe, but why would the wolves continue to migrate south? Were there not enough deer in the north part of the state for them? The fact is that these wild dogs had help getting to where they are today and as long as it is kept quiet how exactly they got here they will continue to show up, I mean migrate, here. The whole thing is a real mess because at some point it is going to be somebody's kid getting attacked by wolves and there are plenty of wackos around that think that's OK as long as the wolves are not harmed. If that was my dog I would have not thought twice about killing the wolf and if my dog got caught in the crossfire it would be sad, but not near as sad as living in a state that allows the uncontrolled wolf population to get crazy enough that I am having to protect my home from them. Its pretty easy to sit behind a keyboard and point fingers, voice opinions about the situation, and give ideas on what should be done, but until its your dog, your home, or your safety at risk all it is is a bunch of talk.

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #296 on: March 15, 2013, 05:32:24 PM »
Wolves also move because they breed. New packs form in new areas because they are very territorial. A new pack forms and has to move to a new area. 2 packs won't survive in the same place. I'd bet that's the top reason they're expanding their range in Washington. That Conservation NW documentary with Fitkin that was on the Discovery channel showed that alpha female from the methow move to the teanaway and form a new pack. The wolves in the blues came from Oregon.
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« Reply #297 on: March 15, 2013, 07:07:28 PM »
So if that is the reason then why has it taken the wolves this long to move back in here? And personally I don't believe much of what Fitkin has to say about how and why wolves move. Just because it was on tv doesn't make it true.

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« Reply #298 on: March 15, 2013, 07:14:51 PM »
So if that is the reason then why has it taken the wolves this long to move back in here?
In 4 or so years we've gone from the Lookout pack to 9 packs? I think is the current number. Bobcat posted it earlier.  7 or 9. Anyway, I think that's pretty quick. I'm sure there's some moving around for food and some new packs forming around the state for territorial reasons too. A little bit of everything. Heck I think there's a pack in the northeast that travels back and forth between Idaho and Washington. Who gets to claim that pack?
I'm betting the Touche pack will be next confirmed. I think thats what theyre calling the pack running around the Dayton unit.
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« Reply #299 on: March 15, 2013, 07:18:43 PM »
So if that is the reason then why has it taken the wolves this long to move back in here? And personally I don't believe much of what Fitkin has to say about how and why wolves move. Just because it was on tv doesn't make it true.
It's not just Fitkin that says it. It's science. It's what dogs do. The pack mentality. There's an alpha and there's subordinates. Male and female wolves that don't "fit" in the pack the way they want go make their own pack in their own territory. Other lone nomadic wolves join the new pack. Hierarchy is set, a new alpha male and female rule the roost and make baby wolves. It's nature. Fitkin didn't invent it.
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