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In more than one meeting the WDFW has said that they currently don't have good population estimates on the size of deer, elk and moose herds/population in the northeast part of the state. That means that they really have no baseline to look at to see if populations are decreasing. So they need to do studies to determine the baselines. By the time those studies are done the herds will already probably be declining. Then they will have to do 2-3 years of study to determine why the herds are declining/if they are declining. So by the time WDFW will say that they know whats going on, the populations will already be in big trouble. Also at one meeting Dave Ware said when asked what would happen if the WDFW thought a herd was declining by 25% or more, he said the first option would be reduced hunting opportunity since that is the easiest thing to control.
Quote from: Kola16 on March 28, 2013, 02:21:55 PMThanks for the right-up bearpaw +1
Thanks for the right-up bearpaw
Thanks for voicing your opinion and speaking for the hunters who pay the salaries of these idiots at the WDFW.
Quote from: bearpaw on March 28, 2013, 04:03:44 PMQuote from: skywalker253 on March 28, 2013, 01:23:22 PMQuote from: Curly on March 28, 2013, 12:58:17 PMBearpaw's view is not narrow minded. I've read much of his research on the wolf issue and he knows his stuff.......(knows the stats and info better than WDFW).The pro-wolf crowd are the narrow minded ones. They want to end hunting and replace us with wolves. And Dale wants to end wolves in Wa. That is being narrow minded. And I know Dale knows his stuff. I follow him closely and have a ton of respect for what he does and his involvment. But that does not change the fact his presentations are failing and he is losing the battle IMO.Sir, you need to know what you are talking about so I am going to help you. I have said on more than one occasion that wolves could fit into Washington in reasonable numbers. I actually suggested 6 to 8 BP's as being reasonable for Washington and that wolves which move into inhabited areas should be open season in order to keep them in wilderness where they don't cause problems in our modern ecosystems. What I am adamantly opposed to is the maneuvering by WDFW to fill Washington with wolves and their wolf plan which throws NE WA to the wolves until every wolf zone has 4 BP's for 3 consecutive years. By WDFW's own admission wolf numbers doubled since last year. Is there any proven reason that wolves will not continue to double in population every year in NE WA until 4 BP's successfully breed for 3 consecutive years in all wolf zones. WDFW is closed minded. They insisted on 15 BP's for 3 years, that's 1.5 times as many wolves as Montana's plan calls for, a state that is twice the size of Washington with a fraction of the human population. The biggest problem is that the F&G agencies do not know how many wolves are out there, WDFW even admits there are likely twice as many wolves as they have confirmed. If one BP does not have pups at the end of the year the 3 year count will start over again, meanwhile the NE and the Methow suffer.Please explain again who is closed minded?oops fixed a number I had wrongAt the end of the day you were not open minded enough with your plan. If you were, then they would have accepted it. I work off bottom lines. Bottom line A) they did not accept your plan B) even your buddies on here stated YOUR presentation last night fell on deaf ears C) take accountability D) it is time to go back to the drawing board. If the wolf plan is set in stone, what was the POINT of your presentation. Answer needed please...
Quote from: skywalker253 on March 28, 2013, 01:23:22 PMQuote from: Curly on March 28, 2013, 12:58:17 PMBearpaw's view is not narrow minded. I've read much of his research on the wolf issue and he knows his stuff.......(knows the stats and info better than WDFW).The pro-wolf crowd are the narrow minded ones. They want to end hunting and replace us with wolves. And Dale wants to end wolves in Wa. That is being narrow minded. And I know Dale knows his stuff. I follow him closely and have a ton of respect for what he does and his involvment. But that does not change the fact his presentations are failing and he is losing the battle IMO.Sir, you need to know what you are talking about so I am going to help you. I have said on more than one occasion that wolves could fit into Washington in reasonable numbers. I actually suggested 6 to 8 BP's as being reasonable for Washington and that wolves which move into inhabited areas should be open season in order to keep them in wilderness where they don't cause problems in our modern ecosystems. What I am adamantly opposed to is the maneuvering by WDFW to fill Washington with wolves and their wolf plan which throws NE WA to the wolves until every wolf zone has 4 BP's for 3 consecutive years. By WDFW's own admission wolf numbers doubled since last year. Is there any proven reason that wolves will not continue to double in population every year in NE WA until 4 BP's successfully breed for 3 consecutive years in all wolf zones. WDFW is closed minded. They insisted on 15 BP's for 3 years, that's 1.5 times as many wolves as Montana's plan calls for, a state that is twice the size of Washington with a fraction of the human population. The biggest problem is that the F&G agencies do not know how many wolves are out there, WDFW even admits there are likely twice as many wolves as they have confirmed. If one BP does not have pups at the end of the year the 3 year count will start over again, meanwhile the NE and the Methow suffer.Please explain again who is closed minded?oops fixed a number I had wrong
Quote from: Curly on March 28, 2013, 12:58:17 PMBearpaw's view is not narrow minded. I've read much of his research on the wolf issue and he knows his stuff.......(knows the stats and info better than WDFW).The pro-wolf crowd are the narrow minded ones. They want to end hunting and replace us with wolves. And Dale wants to end wolves in Wa. That is being narrow minded. And I know Dale knows his stuff. I follow him closely and have a ton of respect for what he does and his involvment. But that does not change the fact his presentations are failing and he is losing the battle IMO.
Bearpaw's view is not narrow minded. I've read much of his research on the wolf issue and he knows his stuff.......(knows the stats and info better than WDFW).The pro-wolf crowd are the narrow minded ones. They want to end hunting and replace us with wolves.
