March 27 Colville wolf meeting

[Dan-o]

 

Said the guy who's children had no deer left to hunt.     

[Ridgeratt]

Said the guy who's children had no deer left to hunt.     

My Grandkids have few if any left to hunt!!!

I also have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express!

[Dan-o]

Yep, this whole wolf debacle makes me wonder if my kids will get to experience good hunting in E Washington like, I have.

Last year was my last hunting SW Montana.....   Our area has been decimated.  We'll drive 5-6 hours further East.

I worry that NE Washington will go the way way of my SW Montana area.     

Seriously bums me out.

[huntnphool]

Yep, this whole wolf debacle makes me wonder if my kids will get to experience good hunting in E Washington like, I have.

My kids will never get to experience the good hunting I had there, those days are gone forever, I can only hope they get to draw a permit a couple times in their lifetimes to have a decent hunt.

[bearpaw]

   Ridgeratt, Dan-o, and huntnphool, that is one of the reasons I am so determined to make a difference, for my kids and my grandkids, it our responsibility to leave them the best future that we can, just as our parents and grandparents did for us. 

[mulehunter]

 

[antlerman]

During the meeting the WDFW mentioned deer in Central Washington (Basin) and how they manage lower numbers due to socially acceptable levels.  I find that interesting in that I think that hunters would like higher numbers.  The numbers are kept lower due to agriculture (crops).  What is the socially accepted level of wolves in an area?  Isn't ranching agriculture? I know there is a wolf plan and time will tell of what is to come. 

I have lived while hunting has been adequate in the areas where I have lived and only hope that my sons will have the same opportunities.

[Special T]

I have a comment and a couple of questions. Bearpaw, I think its good you changed up the tactic at the meeting ad addressed the people there instead of addressing  the WDFW that is just going through the motions. You/ others have mentioned that ID MT didn't get anywhere till they replaced some commissioners.  What other things were turning points IYO for those states. Additionally how can we spring board WA to getting there quicker?
I seem to think that the only real way to get any traction on this issue is to get as many of our state reps/senators involved as possible, since they actually have some teeth with it comes to the WDFW.

[buckfvr]

It will take pressure from above the governor, resulting in new top management in WDFW, all new top management whos guide lines are different than the ones set now.  It would be nice if someone knew who we had to flood with e-mails to get some attention .  Im not thinking its the governors office.....he is our enemy.

[bearpaw]

During the meeting the WDFW mentioned deer in Central Washington (Basin) and how they manage lower numbers due to socially acceptable levels.  I find that interesting in that I think that hunters would like higher numbers.  The numbers are kept lower due to agriculture (crops).  What is the socially accepted level of wolves in an area?  Isn't ranching agriculture? I know there is a wolf plan and time will tell of what is to come. 

I have lived while hunting has been adequate in the areas where I have lived and only hope that my sons will have the same opportunities.

Excellent point on the social tolerance, I will use that point in the future. 

[Killmore]

  Ridgeratt, Dan-o, and huntnphool, that is one of the reasons I am so determined to make a difference, for my kids and my grandkids, it our responsibility to leave them the best future that we can, just as our parents and grandparents did for us. 

And a good job you have been doing!!  I cant help but think even though they act they (game department) don't want to listen to you at the meetings ,I bet you are making a deep impression in there minds. Keep at it..you are making a difference.

[bearpaw]

I have a comment and a couple of questions. Bearpaw, I think its good you changed up the tactic at the meeting ad addressed the people there instead of addressing  the WDFW that is just going through the motions. You/ others have mentioned that ID MT didn't get anywhere till they replaced some commissioners.  What other things were turning points IYO for those states. Additionally how can we spring board WA to getting there quicker?
I seem to think that the only real way to get any traction on this issue is to get as many of our state reps/senators involved as possible, since they actually have some teeth with it comes to the WDFW.

Great Post!

You are correct, WDFW will do nothing for us, their wolf policy is set, they do not seem to care much about our herds and are more interested in protecting predators of all types and pleasing anti-hunting groups. We must motivate the people to not accept the status quo. The biggest step right now is getting bad Wildlife commissioners replaced with good commissioners. The Wildlife Commissioners have the ability to change WDFW policy, it is imperative that we make our best effort at discouraging the confirmation of bad commissioners (anti-hunters or pro-wolfers) in the Senate and that we encourage appointment of commissioners who are pro-hunting and will support better wolf management.

[JLS]

During the meeting the WDFW mentioned deer in Central Washington (Basin) and how they manage lower numbers due to socially acceptable levels.  I find that interesting in that I think that hunters would like higher numbers.  The numbers are kept lower due to agriculture (crops).  What is the socially accepted level of wolves in an area?  Isn't ranching agriculture? I know there is a wolf plan and time will tell of what is to come. 

I have lived while hunting has been adequate in the areas where I have lived and only hope that my sons will have the same opportunities.

Excellent point on the social tolerance, I will use that point in the future. 

Social tolerance can be seen in more areas than the Columbia Basin, and not just in Washington.  There are many areas in Washington that could support many more elk and deer than they currently do, but don't because of social pressure in regards to crop depredation complaints.

[waterdoctor]

Just got back to Nevada for a couple of pay checks.   

Got an E-mail from one of the WFW people and it seems that our meeting may have had a small effect.  Not on Dave Ware, I will not post my feelings here, he would not talk to me after the meeting about my statistical break down of the elk herd numbers.    

Based on the numbers that I presented and the facts that Bearpaw lined out we have at best 12 months to get things turned around or the NE Elk herd will go into a non recoverable drop, the predator pit that was well presented by Bearpaw.   Politically we have to push forward, we need to keep hammering the science and we need to do everything we can to document the packs in the state.  Every one needs to get their game cams out and get pictures!!!.  I think at this point we may have a very good case that the top members of the F&W have violated the public trust. 

[20 Minutes]

skywalker stop. just stop. Your so far out there on this topic its unbearable

I know, but I don't care. I just like to have fun on here and stir the pot. 

Fair enough

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Natives in the Entiat, who locked the damn gates. LMFAO Call now for the answer.

back to the sauce I see.

Just firing a shot over your boww. Nothing more....
I will stop now, but you know that was funny.

Skywalker, I read your posts and agree with much of what you say; however at times it appears you just say things to rattle people. Don't know much about this Bearpaw character, but he seems highly defensive towards any pro-wolf supporters. Thou you stated numerous times that you want all wolves dead and are not pro-wolf; I suggest you refrain from posting, as they will cancel your membership if you do not agree with what they say. At least that is my impression thus far. Most chat rooms accept all opinions and views. On Hunt-Wa it is very one sided when it comes to wolves.