why b 9 mm?

[Wild Bill]

Two in the chest from a 9 or 45 you're just as dead.

Definitely more deader when it's a .45. Not sure what you're thinking there.

Dont know how much more dead you can get than dead.
WB

[DoubleJ]

Anyone have a good reason why most swat, fbi hostage, and special forces use a 45 then?

uy them

They have small wee wee's ?

Most L.E. in this country use .40S&W.
Most elite military units still use 9mm.

According to my good friend (who's in LE) most PD's issue 9mm and that officers that use .40's buy their own.

[JLS]

Anyone have a good reason why most swat, fbi hostage, and special forces use a 45 then?

uy them

They have small wee wee's ?

Most L.E. in this country use .40S&W.
Most elite military units still use 9mm.

According to my good friend (who's in LE) most PD's issue 9mm and that officers that use .40's buy their own.

I don't know about nationwide, but here in WA you'll find very few LE agencies running 9mms.  The majority of the SWAT teams will be shooting 45s, either a 1911 or a Glock 21.  I'm willing to bet that .45 ACP is the most widely used round in law enforcement in Washington.

Edit:  And, I'll add that there is absolutely nothing wrong with a 9mm with good ammo.  You can't make any reasonable determinations on round effectiveness when comparing hollow point to ball ammo.  If I'm going to make a hole in someone, I'd just as soon do it with a 230 grain hp as a 140 grain hollow point.   Bigger is really better sometimes.

[Bean Counter]

 Hi guys...  fly in the ointment here...

There are a lot of PD's around the country that are switching back to 9mm from .40S&W. This mainly due to reduced recoil and the ability to get back on target quicker.

...He says 9mm guns are easier to control than .40-caliber Glocks because they don’t have as much recoil.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/07/04/all-600-st-paul-police-officers-to-get-new-guns/

The police force of more than 650 sworn officers will receive 9 mm handguns, replacing the .40-caliber Glocks the police department has used since 1998.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2011/09/07/2004932/police-score-new-guns.html#storylink=cpy

[JLS]

There are a lot of PD's around the country that are switching back to 9mm from .40S&W. This mainly due to reduced recoil and the ability to get back on target quicker.

Part of the resurgence is cost savings, in addition to the reduced recoil.  9mm ammo is cheaper than 45 ACP ammo.  Both are easier guns to shoot than the .40, but the 9mm also has the advantage of being lighter than the 45, taking a fair bit of weight off of an officer's duty belt.

[turkeyfeather]

There are a lot of PD's around the country that are switching back to 9mm from .40S&W. This mainly due to reduced recoil and the ability to get back on target quicker.

Part of the resurgence is cost savings, in addition to the reduced recoil.  9mm ammo is cheaper than 45 ACP ammo.  Both are easier guns to shoot than the .40, but the 9mm also has the advantage of being lighter than the 45, taking a fair bit of weight off of an officer's duty belt.

So which is it. First you say that most use .45 and now you acknowledge that most are using the 9mm for the very same reasons as stated before.

[JLS]

I said I believe the 45 is the predominant chambering.  Some agencies are transitioning away from the .40 to the 9mm.  I don't know of any that are going from 45 to 9mm.

[huntnphool]

Hi guys...  fly in the ointment here...

There are a lot of PD's around the country that are switching back to 9mm from .40S&W. This mainly due to reduced recoil and the ability to get back on target quicker.

...He says 9mm guns are easier to control than .40-caliber Glocks because they don’t have as much recoil.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/07/04/all-600-st-paul-police-officers-to-get-new-guns/

The police force of more than 650 sworn officers will receive 9 mm handguns, replacing the .40-caliber Glocks the police department has used since 1998.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2011/09/07/2004932/police-score-new-guns.html#storylink=cpy

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[JLS]

There are a lot of PD's around the country that are switching back to 9mm from .40S&W. This mainly due to reduced recoil and the ability to get back on target quicker.

Part of the resurgence is cost savings, in addition to the reduced recoil.  9mm ammo is cheaper than 45 ACP ammo.  Both are easier guns to shoot than the .40, but the 9mm also has the advantage of being lighter than the 45, taking a fair bit of weight off of an officer's duty belt.

So which is it. First you say that most use .45 and now you acknowledge that most are using the 9mm for the very same reasons as stated before.

One other cost savings of going 9mm vs. 45 is you probably won't have to replace holsters and magazine pouches if you go from .40 to 9mm.  If you go ..40 to .45 you will because the slide and magazines are bigger.

[splitshot]

in a 9 you get more shells per mag.  this was probably already covered but im to lazy to read thru 3 pages of stuff.  also you can go to single stack in the 9 which was not covered.    mike w

[mrolen]

This whole 9mm vs 40 vs 45 debate is stupid. I carry a 9mm because of the fact I can shoot it better and conceal it better, I have 100% confidence in that round because of the fact I train with my pistol more then probably 95% of the people on this forum. Im not saying there is one round that is better then the other in all reality pistol ballistics are horrible, But for a defensive roll on two legged varmints any of those rounds would be more then effective with good self defense bullets. And lets be honest here guy have you ever heard any one say thank god I only got shot with a 25ACP?

[HighlandLofts]

When it comes to me or thee, Thee can kiss my a$$!. I'll stick with my Colt 45. A couple of those posted said how great the 9MM ammo has progressed, you think the 45 ammo stayed where it was back in 1911?

I shoot a wide range of handguns, my main conceal carry is a S&W 642 airweight 38 + P, I bought it as a once in a while carry gun. But I like it a lot, It's a charm to carry and if it can't  stop my attacker in the five shots it carries then it's my bad.
 All this disscusion about this is BAD or that is BAD, it all boils down to do you have a conceal carry permit, and do you have enough ass to actually shoot some one that is a threat to your life, your loved ones life or another persons life?

When you decide to carry a handgun you should only carry what you are comfortable with., weather it be a 22, 25, 380, 9mm, 38, 357, 45acp, 45lc/410. 
 
It all boils down to "If it just saves one life it's worth it". Well Mine's Worth It! and I'll stick with my Conceal Carry, with what ever gun I decide to carry that day. After that it won't matter to me my kids will inherit what this democrat goverened POS state don't take.

[GrainfedMuley]

in a 9 you get more shells per mag.  this was probably already covered but im to lazy to read thru 3 pages of stuff.  also you can go to single stack in the 9 which was not covered.    mike w

The firepower of a 9mm can not compare to the firepower of .45acp. Think of it this way. Can you stand erect and take the full force of a 350lb bar bell traveling at 850fps and remain standing? I don't think so.  Although, if I did not have a .45acp, the least caliber I would carry, would be 9mm. Anything less like .380 has been known to not even penetrate a thick coat.

[CP]

in a 9 you get more shells per mag.  this was probably already covered but im to lazy to read thru 3 pages of stuff.  also you can go to single stack in the 9 which was not covered.    mike w

The firepower of a 9mm can not compare to the firepower of .45acp. Think of it this way. Can you stand erect and take the full force of a 350lb bar bell traveling at 850fps and remain standing? I don't think so.  Although, if I did not have a .45acp, the least caliber I would carry, would be 9mm. Anything less like .380 has been known to not even penetrate a thick coat.

Let’s do the math:

115g 9mm @ 1275 fps = 415 ft-lbs of energy

180g .45 @ 1075 = 475 ft-lbs of energy

350 lb bar bell @ 850 fps = 3,930,000 ft-lbs of energy

I’ll take the bar bell launcher.

[Alchase]

in a 9 you get more shells per mag.  this was probably already covered but im to lazy to read thru 3 pages of stuff.  also you can go to single stack in the 9 which was not covered.    mike w

The firepower of a 9mm can not compare to the firepower of .45acp. Think of it this way. Can you stand erect and take the full force of a 350lb bar bell traveling at 850fps and remain standing? I don't think so.  Although, if I did not have a .45acp, the least caliber I would carry, would be 9mm. Anything less like .380 has been known to not even penetrate a thick coat.

Let’s do the math:

115g 9mm @ 1275 fps = 415 ft-lbs of energy

180g .45 @ 1075 = 475 ft-lbs of energy

350 lb bar bell @ 850 fps = 3,930,000 ft-lbs of energy

I’ll take the bar bell launcher.

There you go getting all logical on us,