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Quote from: huntnphool on March 21, 2013, 12:20:36 AMQuote from: bearpaw on March 21, 2013, 12:16:35 AMThe problem will be getting WDFW to identify 18 BP's or the decline in big game herds. And there in lies the problem, actually believing what they say about the numbers.In some cases I think they are just naive and lack experience, in other cases I am convinced some of their personnel are purposefully hiding wolves from the count.
Quote from: bearpaw on March 21, 2013, 12:16:35 AMThe problem will be getting WDFW to identify 18 BP's or the decline in big game herds. And there in lies the problem, actually believing what they say about the numbers.
The problem will be getting WDFW to identify 18 BP's or the decline in big game herds.
Wait to bash the game department until their management plan is deemed a total failure. Kinda hard to judge them, when the wolf management plan goals have not even been completed yet. Just saying; give the program a chance to become the program it is suppose to be, and give the WDFW a chance to show us that they don't know or do know what they are doing. Many will bash the WDFW regardless of what the outcome is, so what does it matter....
Quote from: skywalker253 on March 20, 2013, 09:57:49 PMWait to bash the game department until their management plan is deemed a total failure. Kinda hard to judge them, when the wolf management plan goals have not even been completed yet. Just saying; give the program a chance to become the program it is suppose to be, and give the WDFW a chance to show us that they don't know or do know what they are doing. Many will bash the WDFW regardless of what the outcome is, so what does it matter....Wait to bash them? The wolf plan was a complete failure the day it went into effect. The time to bash them is now. They really screwed up and they are starting to see that (hopefully).
Quote from: Curly on March 21, 2013, 07:24:37 AMQuote from: skywalker253 on March 20, 2013, 09:57:49 PMWait to bash the game department until their management plan is deemed a total failure. Kinda hard to judge them, when the wolf management plan goals have not even been completed yet. Just saying; give the program a chance to become the program it is suppose to be, and give the WDFW a chance to show us that they don't know or do know what they are doing. Many will bash the WDFW regardless of what the outcome is, so what does it matter....Wait to bash them? The wolf plan was a complete failure the day it went into effect. The time to bash them is now. They really screwed up and they are starting to see that (hopefully).How did they screw up and what is it they are seeing now that will make them realize they screwed up? Is it because a dog got attacked? Or because some cattle were eaten by wolves? Or that wolves are killing deer and elk? Sure these things are happening- it's what wolves do, and I don't think the WDFW ever said, or thought, that these things wouldn't happen. I've said this before, but we'd be seeing these exact same things happening if they had never written the wolf plan. If the WDFW didn't exist, we'd still have wolves, and they'd still be doing what wolves do.
But, I don't think it's right to criticize the WDFW, as they are only doing what they are required to do by law.
Quote from: Curly on March 21, 2013, 07:24:37 AMQuote from: skywalker253 on March 20, 2013, 09:57:49 PMWait to bash the game department until their management plan is deemed a total failure. Kinda hard to judge them, when the wolf management plan goals have not even been completed yet. Just saying; give the program a chance to become the program it is suppose to be, and give the WDFW a chance to show us that they don't know or do know what they are doing. Many will bash the WDFW regardless of what the outcome is, so what does it matter....Wait to bash them? The wolf plan was a complete failure the day it went into effect. The time to bash them is now. They really screwed up and they are starting to see that (hopefully).How did they screw up and what is it they are seeing now that will make them realize they screwed up? Is it because a dog got attacked? Or because some cattle were eaten by wolves? Or that wolves are killing deer and elk? Sure these things are happening- it's what wolves do, and I don't think the WDFW ever said, or thought, that these things wouldn't happen.
I don't think that bobcat will understand how us eastsiders feel or what we are going through until the wolves affect his hunting areas. The eastside needs different rules then the west side, before it really gets out of control.
Skywalker & Bobcat I asked this of WDFW on there FB page and that is, Why do you think that WDFW knows so much more than Idaho, Montana and Wyoming does now that they all have stated that hunting alone will not be able to control wolf populations. Idaho started with 15 introduced wolves in '95 and '98 (I may be wrong on second year) by 2010 they had well over 1000 and said now that wolves are directly responsible for a 20% reduction in elk numbers where wolves are present. Please explain how WDFW knows how they can control them when no one else does.
Of course the wolf lovers want wolves, just as long as they can put them on the eastside and not have to live with them themselves, that has been proven by Rep. Kretz.I suppose it's sort of tough for some to justify a wolf hunt when they aren't killing your cattle or pets and you haven't seen what happens to big game herds. We're not asking for wolf management on the westside so you can rest in peace, we only want to protect our pets and livestock where the wolves are eating them.
My point is we start controlling right now or we are screwed, We cannot afford to wait for the whole state to get wolves by then it will be to late for many areas. Waiting 5-10 years to start hunting like stated above and most deer hunting in this state on the east side will be very limited at best.
Quote from: skywalker253 on March 20, 2013, 10:29:55 PMQuote from: link=topic=121197.msg1599775#msg1599775 date=1363843085All I am saying is IMO in the next 5-10 years we will have a special permit hunt, which will be broke up by wolf region. The reason I said you were too optimistic is according to the proposal they need to be stable at the 15 BP number for three years once they reach that requirement. At that point they will begin the discussion of hunting them, likely taking another year or two, or perhaps waiting until the following three year big game season setting meeting.After all this stalling they will publically announce their hunting proposal meeting, to be held a couple months later in the year so they can adequately plan for it. The meeting will be filled with wolf advocates from all the popular groups, all speaking opposed to any kind of hunting. Finally the season for hunting wolves will be set, likely 10+ years from now. Then just when you thought it would finally happen, the wolf groups will file law suits to stop it, which WDFW will have to abide by until litigation is complete, likely several more years down the road.This is exactly what has happened in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming, and like I asked you earlier, what makes you think Washington will be any different? By the way, WDFW couldn't answer this question from the commission either. In total, I don't see a hunt for wolves in Washington for at least 15 years, and thats assuming WDFW doesn't pull the trump card 2.5 years into the 3 year waiting period of wolves maintaining the 15 BP's, saying "one of the alpha males is missing and pressumed dead so we are no longer at 15BP's" at which point the 3 year "stable" period would have to start over.
Quote from: link=topic=121197.msg1599775#msg1599775 date=1363843085All I am saying is IMO in the next 5-10 years we will have a special permit hunt, which will be broke up by wolf region.
All I am saying is IMO in the next 5-10 years we will have a special permit hunt, which will be broke up by wolf region.