Spider Bull Grosses over 500!!!

[GoldTip]

Doublelung, maybe I should make myself more clear.   Yes, your comments were analogies, but my comments were not pointed towards whether or not you like or dislike the tags, like or dislike the method in which the animal was hunted and killed.  I would have thought my last paragraph of my previous posting made that quite clear.  My comments regarding  a "Sportsmen" making analogies such as you did will most definitely be viewed by the non-hunting public, and most likely used by organizations such as PETA, HSUS and others to show that even members of a "hunting" website view forms of legal hunting as no different than forcible rape or the dealing of methamphetines.  This is a public website, anti hunters can and do visit this site, that is the point I was trying to get across.  In my opinion making analogies such as you did, on a forum such as this, is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  

[Ray]

PETA HSUS doesn't need trophy animals and guides to make their case. They would not stop there. Image is important. If it's that sensitive to you then consider not posting any of your kill photos or stories. Just my opinion on that particular matter. But what fun would that be? They want you to be in a corner and to abandon all of that and then just give up.

[Gutpile]

no way it's 500 4/8's. I'll give it 500 1/2. 

[GoldTip]

Ray, no one is backing me into a corner, I'm just saying expressing our views in such a manner as these analogies on a public forum, is not helpful to our cause.  Let me give you an example.  Last night I was at a meeting and several of the guys I work with were there as well.  These are very well educated guys, one of whom was born and raised in Washington.  Both are non-hunters, but love to hear my hunting stories and see my pics when I return from a hunt, and would probably never vote for an anti hunting bill, just  from knowing me and how much I love it.  Both ask me if I saw the pictures of the HUGE bull that was killed down by Dayton that was in the Spokesman Review this past weekend.  I say yes, it was truly a tremendous, great bull.  They both ask why I hadn't hunted it, or did I not know it was there, and that it must take years for an animal to grow horns like that, "boy the guy who got that animal sure was lucky" they say.  I of course had been reading this thread within hours of hearing this from them, and I realize, these two non-hunters never even read the article, they don't know this is a Governors tag, and even if they did, they couldn't care less.  They looked at the picture in awe and that was all.  I simply told them yes, there are tremendous animals in that area and I had as of yet gotten a chance to hunt there.

Now I could have gone on to tell them that this was a Governors tag and is an abomination of the sport and that this was no different than forcible rape.  That it was kind of like dealing meth but giving the profits to a charity.  Now had I done that, just what do you all think their view of hunting would have been?  Do you suppose they would have had a positive view of hunters?  How do you think someone who's a non-hunter and had a son die from Meth addiction would feel hearing Governors tag hunting compared to the Meth epidemic.  Or how about the non-hunting lady who has suffered a Rape, do you think she would appreciate an analogy such as this?

A public forum such as this, where we all know there are anti's and non-hunters lurking and reading our words, is not the place to use analogies such as were used.  That is quite simply all I was trying to say.  I am NOT trying to get anyone to agree with the issuing of Governors tags.

[Gutpile]

I heard 500 and 3/8s so I'm not really sure I buy in to that 1/2 stuff.

My attemp at humor is lost on you. The first pic says 4/8's. 4/8's is 1/2. 

[Intruder]

Goldtip.... very well said in your last post. 

After re-reading through the posts it occurred to me that the overall concerns being expressed by both you and Doublelung are very much the same in the sense of trying to make sure that negative images about hunting are not projected to the non-hunting public.   

[Ray]

It's amazing how the hunting community always is on these things. Some guy shoots a bull of a lifetime and people come out of the woodwork to discredit and attack the guy's style or whatever happened without even knowing him. Then those same people put pictures and stories up on their harvests and expect different treatment. Some people don't like to be attached to the word jealous but envy is ok. I find it pretty comical.

[bucklucky]

Another thought on my part, why do they have to auction off a tag like this. How many liscenses are sold in Washington? Add a dollar to the liscense and the governors tag would be paid for  Make it a special fund just for elk habitat and do away with "pimping " out our bulls Our Gov. tag went for what $67,000 ? Doesnt the state sail more hunting liscences than that? Just a thought.

[backwoods_boy]

HA HA HA
this thread is so funny...
good luck everyone this year!
May your hunts be everything they should be.

[Slider]

 

Beautiful Animal!!! I read somewhere the guy Hunted 28 days strait!!! Don't blame the Hunter!!! Blame the system!!!

[provider]

Some of you may not be comfortable with the analogies given, and feel they were offensive, and wish you would not have seen it on this site.?  But that doesn’t change the accuracy of them, and burying your head in the sand, or pulling the covers over your head and wishing the boogieman goes away, will not make things allllll better.  No, no need to sugarcoat this for fear of the enemy.

I have long said, “the internet will be the demise of hunting”, and stories like these moral compromised, commercialized, teamed efforts, huge entouraged, financial transaction killings of our wildlife, will only expedite that process.  Non-hunting public perception is incredibly important to the future of hunting and these situations jeopardize its existence.  Fortunately, we can use the very same medium to counteract the negative affect, and we must do so.  This is exactly what we should be discussing on this forum, and we have an obligation to do it.  To do the right thing for hunting, something so important to us all.  I guess there will be those who want to debate in support of these disgusting methods, but when I question the practice, I wasn’t asking anybody, wondering, curious if it is wrong…  I was telling you. 

It’s disappointing to see so many just resigned to, “that’s the way it is, and the way it’s always going to be”.  Do something about it.  Do what is right and help preserve our traditional hunting values.

And those of you quick to suggest that sentiment is merely jealousy, don’t know who you are talking to.  Cause it just ain’t so.

[Cylvertip]

Denny Austad must have some really deep pockets.  This will make at least the fourth bull since 2004 that he has taken that was over 400" gross and on a Utah auction tag.  He had an article in "Trophy Hunter" - 2007 Fall, talking about the 1st three.  One was taken with Extreme Outfitters and the next two with Mossback.  All three were Pahvant Tags.  The bull from 2006 net'd 411 3/8 and was Utah's #3 bull.....  Not sure what he did in 2007

I'm not real fond of paying for hunts, but I've got to say that those boys from Mossback (and the guys in the Blues) really do there homework and put in the effort to be able to track these big boys through out the year like this and then take them when no one else has - some of these big bulls are taken in late rifle seasons after lots of folks have had the opportunity.  But I guess with the prices being charged by the guides, ( I don't even want to know how much) they can afford an army to keep tabs on them.......

[Ray]

Those that don't like the term jealousy probably don't like the term elitist either.

Oh and I wasn't asking either. I was telling. But I am not trying to tell you what is right. I was telling you what I think. There is a distinction between them in the fact that I am not getting people up in arms about nothing and to go forth and "Do something about it". If the internet is the demise of hunting then I suppose that just being on this board is contributing to it.

[provider]

True, the term gets my cackles up.  But I've been called worse.

And I would say that if you believe this topic is much adieu about "nothing"... that is contributing to hunting's demise.

[Ray]

I guess I am a bad guy for hunting because I don't think like you.