Spider Bull Grosses over 500!!!

[bucklucky]

Your just jealous..................OH CRAP! I think bone just pulled in the driveway   

 Sorry, just playin.

[actionshooter]

I'm not going to go as far as calling this a canned hunt, as far as that goes I can't call it anything b/c I wasn't there!

 But if there are paid people watching or scouting for an animal, then a hunter is whisked to the bull to kill it b/c he's got the cash. That really detracts from the hunting ideal. At that point it becomes strictly a buisiness, really really sad 

[Huntbear]

It all boils down to money, ethics, and morals.

Glad my daddy raised me right.  I would rather shoot the local raghorn 4 & 5 pt. bulls for the rest of my life than to be involved in any hunt that another hunter may consider unethical.  However, if this hunt was legit, then I would be the first in line to shake the man's hand.

That being said, I agree with one thing, DO NOT GIVE THE ANTI's ANY AMMO!!!!!!!!

Gawd that is a big bull elk!!!!!!!

[bowsandhose]

what a toad of an elk 

[TheKid#10]

I was saying amen to the pimping out of wildlife part. The meth and rape part of the rant are a little out there. Not really comparing apples to apples.   

KID

[Wea300mag]

My only hope is that he had his way with 100+ cows before they got him.

[DOUBLELUNG]

Equating the way this bull was killed to forcible rape or to dealing Meth and the agreement of others with that statement is quite definitely the most foolish statement I have or hope to ever read on this website.  I sat here after reading that and it took me ten minutes to be able to even type as the absolute idiocy sent my mind swimming.  Seriously?  Forcible rape or Meth dealing, Wow.  It truly, truly scares me when someone who actually considers themselves a Sportsman would make a comment like that on a public website.

You can like or dislike the way this animal was hunted and killed, thats entirely up to you.  But please, think before you type any more moronic comments such as this.

Good thing I got over my need for universal love and approval earlier in life, or I'd be out of hankies by now.  Always feel a smidgen of pride, though, to get to be anyone's superlative. 

They're called analogies - and no, that's not some obscure reference to something icky in prison showers.  Choose to take analogies literally, that is your call.  Find it moronic, that's your call too.

I absolutely do call myself a sportsman.  I absolutely do think that auctioning off the biggest animals to the highest bidder is a huge threat to the American model of public ownership of wildlife, and public hunting.  My feelings are no more averse to the circumstances of this auction tag snuff, than to any other; this is merely the most recent example. 

I find it moronic that fellow sportsmen celebrate this, on a public website, in any way, shape or form.  I don't feel the slightest bit bad for jacking the thread, either!

Atrocities committed to kill a trophy, legal or otherwise, and contrary to the spirit of fair chase, are far more repugnant to nonhunters than any other aspect of hunting.  Nonhunters, much less antihunters, are far more emotional and less reasoned than hunters.  For hunters to applaud this kind of activity fuels the perception that we are all a bunch of inferiority-complexed aberrant *censored*s who are so inadequate, we need to puff up our egos with trophies, and will do anything that it takes to get them. 

Try a little research on nonhunters attitudes toward hunting - something we hunters in Washington should damned sure care about.  WDFW, and many other state wildlife agencies, have conducted a lot of research on the subject.  Mark Duda from Responsive Management has conducted quite a few of them.  Over 80% of the nonhunters in this state currently support legal, regulated hunting.  However, nonhunter support for trophy hunting is extremely low, and a perception of fairness - that the animals have a chance to prevail - is extremely important to that continued support of the majority of people in this state for hunting. 

I believe that state agencies pimping out the biggest and best to the richest at auction, undermines the nonhunting public's perception of state wildlife agencies as responsible stewards of the public's wildlife. 

I further believe that the biggest threat to hunting occurs through modern media, and by hunters.  Classless snuff videos and disrespectful treatment of game by hunters, posted on YouTube and the like; Snuff TV shows on cable outdoor channels for nonhunting channel surfers; gangs of crazed web forum geeking out over the biggest killed by the richest at the highest price. 

You worry about a couple of typed analogies equating felonies with the absolute worst of legal hunting as any kind of threat?  Please!  Now, that's moronic!

I consider myself a trophy hunter, in the sense that I enjoy the added challenge of passing on younger bucks and bulls when rifle hunting, in hopes of killing an older, mature animal.  I love seeing photos of the biggest and best; I am passionate about it.  You do not have to agree with me that this kind of discussion is exactly what we should be discussing on this site. 

The moderators can decide this is counter-productive, lock the thread, nuke my posts, even bar me from the site - that's their perogative, and I won't grudge it if that happens.  I'll stand by both of my posts on the subject.  I reject the position that if it's legal, it's ok. 

We as hunters had better get a whole bunch more concerned about our collective image, or we will lose this sport we love - or just ruin it for our kids.  Our model of public ownership of wildlife, with hunting regulated to perpetuate game populations for the public's enjoyment, and that opportunity provided as equitably as possible to all qualified citizens, was founded in rejection of European models of private ownership of game by the wealthy.  No matter how good and noble the motivation, preferentially doling out those opportunities at auction runs absolutely counter to the very foundation of our American hunting heritage, and seriously threatens to undermine it.   

[Red Dawg]

No matter what someone says, you cant take anything away from that bull. What a monster. Its all speculation at this point so the stories dont mean anything to me. It does not appear to be a high fencer to me so I say congrats. And I am jealous of him because I want to shoot a 400" someday. It does suck to see once again that it takes a lot of money to kill the monster of all monsters.

[elkaholic]

my time is limited, so i may have missed how these teams do it?  Fill me in.  I am just happy to be home thi shunting season and able to spend some time in the woods with dad and friends. good luck everyone, Be in Idaho next week, need the weather to cool off. Bone how much weight did you lose sweating this year?

C

[Ray]

Great bull. Well done for the outfitters and congrats to the hunter. They definitely got it on public land where anyone else could have. 

There sure are a lot of jealous people in the world. 

An outfitter is comparable to some old man teaching his kid about hunting or a family working together and one person getting the critter..

[bow4elk]

DOUBLELUNG is right on the money folks.  This is the furthest thing from jealousy, rather, it's about the overall tone and outward-facing perception of hunting.   If you've even stepped foot into a formal state-level discussion about hunting and wildlife matters, then you know exactly the point we are trying to make.  I've been there.  I've heard the voting non-hunting public speak.  I've seen the passion in their eyes and felt the heat of their words.

Nobody is saying these auction hunts are illegal, high fenced, or otherwise shady.  What the few of us are saying is that they deliver a message that degrades the non-hunting public's view of state game agencies and further degrade the overall perception of hunters.  It doesn't matter that we all know the truth to how these big wallet hunts go down because we are the minority at the polls.  Ignorance wins the ballot measures every single time.

I love capitalism and freedom.  I love hard work and think anyone rich enough to hunt the world over should...and I'm green with envy.

[Ray]

I think I heard that in the first three pages. Just adding my 
 

[Opportunist]

What an incredible public land bull!

I agree fully with DOUBLELUNG.

[jackelope]

i don't have much of an  opinion on this bull...or these kind of hunts.
there are a whole lot of posts on this topin on MM. i visited this hell hole to see what all the hubbub was like over there.
there are a lot of the normal great bull posts, and a lot of hate this kind of hunt posts, and a few very logical posts in this thread if anybody hasn't seen it over there...
http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID12/9912.html

it's almost worth the read.

[Ray]

the great thing about hunting is that you can choose your own weapons, methods or techniques, partners, locations and critters and be legal. of course not everyone will agree about the best of any of those. lots of people like to force or suggest their style is the best onto the rest of the hunters. the cool thing is that we don't have to live like commies. fair chase is good and every time a big bull is shot with someone who uses an outfitter all some circles do is complain about how it's wrong. that is their right to do so. However at the same time I believe that if it was a small bull it would be "ok" for those same people. the envy, anger, hatred or whatever emotion attached to the actions is usually and conveniently associated with record book animals and there comes the continual rumors and speculation about anything and everything which is often intended to discredit someone's hunt at any cost.