State game departments may start to figure it out

[huntnphool]

What will it change between landowner and WDFW besides me paying $10 more?

You're not getting my point. There are 6 components of this bill, 5 have to do with damage done to landowner property, the other has to do with the license plate.

WDFW did not want the current bill as it passed the Senate. WDFW wanted a completely new wolf plate, not simply increase the fee for the current plates. But they are not going to try and kill it simply because one of the 6 components were modified.

You are correct, it was written to create a new wolf plate.

And for that reason you can't say WDFW wants to add the $10 for wolves. Because it was the Senate Ways and Means Committee which scrapped the new wolf plate and added the fee.

 Okay...So where did this come from?.......


"All I know is what Dave Ware said the other day in Olympia

"The agency wants legislators to pass a bill, ESSB 5193, which will help fund management activities. Part of it raises the cost of a wildlife plate from $40 to $50. The extra $10 will go straight to wolf management, whether you buy an endangered species plate, wildlife viewing plate or deer and elk plate.""

Read my prior posts, which Bearpaw agrees with. WDFW wanted a new wolf plate in the original, the senate said no, just add $10 to the current plate.

The $10 fee is still the WDFW's idea, regardless where the $10 is imposed.

No it is not. WDFW wanted the new wolf plate so people who want to support wolves can have their money go to wolves. Now people who wanted their money going to wildlife management, endangered species management, etc are going to have to pay $10 extra just because Senators didnt want to make a new plate!

Come on BT, you are more intelligent than that.

[bearpaw]

Senator Smith's original bill created a wolf license plate to help pay wolf damages and changed the designation of the wolf to a game animal. To their credit, WDFW supported this bill. I read the original bill, it's posted online: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5193.pdf

Knowing somewhat how my local legislators think I am confident Smith intended for the wolf lovers to pay more of their share in wolf management. I have not reviewed who amended the bill but I am suspect that it may have been wolf loving Senators who refused to create a new wolf plate. No doubt the WDFW wants money, we all know they will take whatever money they can get. If people quit buying the existing license plates then the legislature will see how they messed that up.

While the people would be better served by creating a new wolf license plate rather than raising fees on existing license plates, this bill needs to pass because it still creates a funding mechanism to pay for wolf losses and it still designates the wolf as a big game animal.

You can read the substitute bill here: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bill%20Reports/Senate/5193-S2.E%20SBR%20APS%2013.pdf

[bigtex]

Senator Smith's original bill created a wolf license plate to help pay wolf damages and changed the designation of the wolf to a game animal. To their credit, WDFW supported this bill. I read the original bill, it's posted online: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5193.pdf

Knowing somewhat how my local legislators think I am confident Smith intended for the wolf lovers to pay more of their share in wolf management. I have not reviewed who amended the bill but I am suspect that it may have been wolf loving Senators who refused to create a new wolf plate. No doubt the WDFW wants money, we all know they will take whatever money they can get. If people quit buying the existing license plates then the legislature will see how they messed that up.

While the people would be better served by creating a new wolf license plate rather than raising fees on existing license plates, this bill needs to pass because it still creates a funding mechanism to pay for wolf losses and it still designates the wolf as a big game animal.

You can read the substitute bill here: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bill%20Reports/Senate/5193-S2.E%20SBR%20APS%2013.pdf

Thank you Bearpaw. The bill was amended by the Senate Ways and Means Committee.

[huntnphool]

Senator Smith's original bill created a wolf license plate to help pay wolf damages and changed the designation of the wolf to a game animal. To their credit, WDFW supported this bill. I read the original bill, it's posted online: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5193.pdf

Knowing somewhat how my local legislators think I am confident Smith intended for the wolf lovers to pay more of their share in wolf management. I have not reviewed who amended the bill but I am suspect that it may have been wolf loving Senators who refused to create a new wolf plate. No doubt the WDFW wants money, we all know they will take whatever money they can get. If people quit buying the existing license plates then the legislature will see how they messed that up.

While the people would be better served by creating a new wolf license plate rather than raising fees on existing license plates, this bill needs to pass because it still creates a funding mechanism to pay for wolf losses and it still designates the wolf as a big game animal.

You can read the substitute bill here: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bill%20Reports/Senate/5193-S2.E%20SBR%20APS%2013.pdf

To my point addressed to BT, I believe that it is more about the short sighted, money hungry politicians seeing more revenue generated by imposing the $10 fee on the numerous existing plates, rather than the newly produced "Wolf" plate.

In the end I'm betting you see a new wolf plate in the near future as well, but imposing the fee on existing plates generates revenue instantly without cost, not to mention there are potentially way more existing plates out there than will ever be wolf plates produced. If they waited for the "wolf" plate to be produced, then put on the market, it would take years before any real revenue would be seen. This is nothing more than "revenue now", yet seriously doubt they have factored in the revenue lost when people refuse to renew their deer, elk etc plates.

[bearpaw]

That may be a good explanation huntnphool, it would be interesting to see a video of the session where they discussed the bill and made the amendment.

[huntnphool]

That may be a good explanation huntnphool, it would be interesting to see a video of the session where they discussed the bill and made the amendment.

I guess at this point I am extremely skeptical when it comes to politicians sitting around thinking up ways to generate revenue. In the end its typically which plan generates the most money in the least amount of time with the least amount of investment, I believe this plate idea is a classic example. Why create a new plate that will take years to see black when they can impose a additional fee to numerous other plates that likely will not even be noticed by the people when it comes time for them to renew, and generate revenue starting right away.

[6x6in6]

They will be getting my deer plate back that I have had since year 1 of availability

If this goes through they will lose my $40 as well.

And all 3 of my elk plates....

[bigtex]

That may be a good explanation huntnphool, it would be interesting to see a video of the session where they discussed the bill and made the amendment.

Why create a new plate that will take years to see black when they can impose a additional fee to numerous other plates that likely will not even be noticed by the people when it comes time for them to renew, and generate revenue starting right away.

Here was the projected fiscal impact of a new wolf plate which would begin sale 1/1/2014:

Cash Receipts      FY 14   FY 15    13-15 Total   15-17 Total  17-19 Total
State Wildlife -            -      38,810     38,810         205,060         261,350
Motor Vehicle           38,370 30,080     68,450         30,980           30,130
Total Revenue      38,370 68,890  107,260       236,040          291,480

[huntnphool]

That may be a good explanation huntnphool, it would be interesting to see a video of the session where they discussed the bill and made the amendment.

Why create a new plate that will take years to see black when they can impose a additional fee to numerous other plates that likely will not even be noticed by the people when it comes time for them to renew, and generate revenue starting right away.

Here was the projected fiscal impact of a new wolf plate:

Cash Receipts FY 14 FY 15 13-15 Total 15-17 Total 17-19 Total
State Wildlife - 38,810 38,810 205,060 261,350
Motor Vehicle 38,370 30,080 68,450 30,980 30,130
Total Revenue 38,370 68,890 107,260 236,040 291,480

It didn't post right BT,  what am I looking at? Which part is the "wolf" plate portion?

[bigtex]

That may be a good explanation huntnphool, it would be interesting to see a video of the session where they discussed the bill and made the amendment.

Why create a new plate that will take years to see black when they can impose a additional fee to numerous other plates that likely will not even be noticed by the people when it comes time for them to renew, and generate revenue starting right away.

Here was the projected fiscal impact of a new wolf plate:

Cash Receipts FY 14 FY 15 13-15 Total 15-17 Total 17-19 Total
State Wildlife - 38,810 38,810 205,060 261,350
Motor Vehicle 38,370 30,080 68,450 30,980 30,130
Total Revenue 38,370 68,890 107,260 236,040 291,480

It didn't post right BT,  what am I looking at? Which part is the "wolf" plate portion?

Did some editing to it. This is the fiscal impact from solely a new wolf plate, which obviously is no longer going to happen.

[huntnphool]

That may be a good explanation huntnphool, it would be interesting to see a video of the session where they discussed the bill and made the amendment.

Why create a new plate that will take years to see black when they can impose a additional fee to numerous other plates that likely will not even be noticed by the people when it comes time for them to renew, and generate revenue starting right away.

Here was the projected fiscal impact of a new wolf plate:

Cash Receipts FY 14 FY 15 13-15 Total 15-17 Total 17-19 Total
State Wildlife - 38,810 38,810 205,060 261,350
Motor Vehicle 38,370 30,080 68,450 30,980 30,130
Total Revenue 38,370 68,890 107,260 236,040 291,480

It didn't post right BT,  what am I looking at? Which part is the "wolf" plate portion?

Did some editing to it. This is the fiscal impact from solely a new wolf plate, which obviously is no longer going to happen.

Now I'd like them to produce a chart that shows revenues generated by additional fees to the existing wildlife plates, I bet the figures are triple and the reason for the amended bill.

[snowpack]

Yeah, if this goes through they can keep their elk plate.  I'll look for other ways to help elk.  If anything WDFW should be giving us partial refunds or discounts due to the @#$% wolves.

[mkcj]

Phool your post #78 is a bullseye

[huntnphool]

Anyone know what the status is on this issue? My plates are going to be due in the next couple months and I'm not renewing the wildlife plates if the money is going to fund the wolf recovery.

[HUNT]

Anyone know what the status is on this issue? My plates are going to be due in the next couple months and I'm not renewing the wildlife plates if the money is going to fund the wolf recovery.