TC Contender distance shooting?

[Bigshooter]

To legally be a pistol, it has to have started life as a pistol at the factory.

Good read here.

 http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239

That was confusing.  But the way I read it is that the supreme court says it is legal to switch back and forth.  But the BATF says that it is not.  I would assume that the supreme court ruling would stand up in any court? 

[Fl0und3rz]

To legally be a pistol, it has to have started life as a pistol at the factory.

Good read here.

 http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239

That was confusing.  But the way I read it is that the supreme court says it is legal to switch back and forth.  But the BATF says that it is not.  I would assume that the supreme court ruling would stand up in any court? 

To further elaborate: "t is legal to switch back and forth" from a pistol to a rifle, but not from a rifle to a pistol.  The legal determination of what is a pistol or rifle is determined by how it left the factory, and it will never change throughout the life of the firearm, unless NFA procedures are undertaken, for example, to create a SBR. 

So you can take what is legally a pistol and put a stock and rifle barrel on it. But you cannot take what is legally a rifle and remove the stock and place a barrel less than 16" on it, without undertaking the risk of a federal felony prosecution, however remote.

Thus, it's always good to know or check what your receiver started out as and keep them that way, or limit yourself to pistol to rifle conversion and back, and nothing else.  In practice? That's up to your informed decision.

[jackelope]

In hindsight, I shoulda bought a pistol frame to start with, then I could build a pistol or a rifle. I've got a sweet frame, with all of Mike Bellm's tricks, that is stuck being a rifle. Oh well, worse things have happened.
I'll need a pistol though, one of these days I think.

[Bigshooter]

To legally be a pistol, it has to have started life as a pistol at the factory.

Good read here.

 http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239

That was confusing.  But the way I read it is that the supreme court says it is legal to switch back and forth.  But the BATF says that it is not.  I would assume that the supreme court ruling would stand up in any court? 

To further elaborate: "t is legal to switch back and forth" from a pistol to a rifle, but not from a rifle to a pistol.  The legal determination of what is a pistol or rifle is determined by how it left the factory, and it will never change throughout the life of the firearm, unless NFA procedures are undertaken, for example, to create a SBR. 

So you can take what is legally a pistol and put a stock and rifle barrel on it. But you cannot take what is legally a rifle and remove the stock and place a barrel less than 16" on it, without undertaking the risk of a federal felony prosecution, however remote.

Thus, it's always good to know or check what your receiver started out as and keep them that way, or limit yourself to pistol to rifle conversion and back, and nothing else.  In practice? That's up to your informed decision.

The following was hand entered verbatum from the policy statement sent to me by US Mail from Tim Pancurak at Thompson Center Arms Co.:

Notice Concerning Encore/Contender Pistols and Carbines


Thompson/Center Arms Co. went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court to establish the lawfulness of the Contender pistol and Carbine (including the carbine kit), and won. The Supreme Court opinion also establishes the legality of the Encore system, which has similar interchangeable parts.

With these systems, a receiver may be assembled either with a pistol grip and pistol barrel, or with a shoulder stock and rifle barrrel (minimum length 16 inches). A barrel under 16 inches in length must never be assembled onto the reciever when the shoulder stock is attached. Within that parameter, the consumer may use the parts to make a pistol or carbine, and may change the configuration at will.

In 1988, Thompson/Center filed suit against the United States alleging that the pistol and carbine kit used above do not constitute a rifle with a barrel less than 16 inches in length, a weapon made from a rifle with an overall length less than 26 inches, or a restricted "firearm" as otherwise defined in the National Firearms Act. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court agreed with Thompson/Center. Their opinions are cited as United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Co., 504 U.S. 505 (1992), affirming 924 F.2d 1041 (Fed. Cir. 1991).

In the trial court and in the Federal Circuit, the United States argued both that (1) the mere unassembled parts constituted a rifle with a barrel under 16 inches in length, and that (2) use of the receiver to assemble a pistol after a rifle had been assembled constituted making a weapon from a rifle with an overall length less than 26 inches. The Federal Circuit rejected both arguments. See 924 F.2d at 1043, citing 26 U.S.C. 5845 (a) (3) and (4). The United States abandoned the latter argument in the Supreme Court, which held generally for Thompson/Center. Accordingly, both issues (1) and (2) were decided in favor of Thompson/Center and are not now open to question.

Thus, the sale, possession, and use of the Contender or Encore pistol and carbine as described are fully in accord with federal law. The use of these products in all of the States is likewise lawful, except that certain restrictions may apply in California.

 

[JohnVH]

dudes goofy, but ya

TC pistol 300 yards

[300rum]

Nope, traded it for a .460, wish I would have kept it.  I'll have another one, one of these days. 

Hey 300rum do you still reload 7x30 waters I got onr recently

[Fl0und3rz]

To legally be a pistol, it has to have started life as a pistol at the factory.

Good read here.

 http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239

That was confusing.  But the way I read it is that the supreme court says it is legal to switch back and forth.  But the BATF says that it is not.  I would assume that the supreme court ruling would stand up in any court? 

To further elaborate: "t is legal to switch back and forth" from a pistol to a rifle, but not from a rifle to a pistol.  The legal determination of what is a pistol or rifle is determined by how it left the factory, and it will never change throughout the life of the firearm, unless NFA procedures are undertaken, for example, to create a SBR. 

So you can take what is legally a pistol and put a stock and rifle barrel on it. But you cannot take what is legally a rifle and remove the stock and place a barrel less than 16" on it, without undertaking the risk of a federal felony prosecution, however remote.

Thus, it's always good to know or check what your receiver started out as and keep them that way, or limit yourself to pistol to rifle conversion and back, and nothing else.  In practice? That's up to your informed decision.

The following was hand entered verbatum from the policy statement sent to me by US Mail from Tim Pancurak at Thompson Center Arms Co.:

Notice Concerning Encore/Contender Pistols and Carbines


Thompson/Center Arms Co. went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court to establish the lawfulness of the Contender pistol and Carbine (including the carbine kit), and won. The Supreme Court opinion also establishes the legality of the Encore system, which has similar interchangeable parts.

With these systems, a receiver may be assembled either with a pistol grip and pistol barrel, or with a shoulder stock and rifle barrrel (minimum length 16 inches). A barrel under 16 inches in length must never be assembled onto the reciever when the shoulder stock is attached. Within that parameter, the consumer may use the parts to make a pistol or carbine, and may change the configuration at will.

In 1988, Thompson/Center filed suit against the United States alleging that the pistol and carbine kit used above do not constitute a rifle with a barrel less than 16 inches in length, a weapon made from a rifle with an overall length less than 26 inches, or a restricted "firearm" as otherwise defined in the National Firearms Act. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court agreed with Thompson/Center. Their opinions are cited as United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Co., 504 U.S. 505 (1992), affirming 924 F.2d 1041 (Fed. Cir. 1991).

In the trial court and in the Federal Circuit, the United States argued both that (1) the mere unassembled parts constituted a rifle with a barrel under 16 inches in length, and that (2) use of the receiver to assemble a pistol after a rifle had been assembled constituted making a weapon from a rifle with an overall length less than 26 inches. The Federal Circuit rejected both arguments. See 924 F.2d at 1043, citing 26 U.S.C. 5845 (a) (3) and (4). The United States abandoned the latter argument in the Supreme Court, which held generally for Thompson/Center. Accordingly, both issues (1) and (2) were decided in favor of Thompson/Center and are not now open to question.

Thus, the sale, possession, and use of the Contender or Encore pistol and carbine as described are fully in accord with federal law. The use of these products in all of the States is likewise lawful, except that certain restrictions may apply in California.

 

You probably could have C&P'd that from the bellmtc site linked above.

[Fishmasterdan]

Distance shooting would be a 6.5 BRM or 6.5 JDJ. The 7x30 waters comes in a close second. I use a folding stock and 16 1/4" barrels so I can carry in my pack while riding off road. I also have the original version.

[jackelope]

Distance shooting would be a 6.5 BRM or 6.5 JDJ. The 7x30 waters comes in a close second. I use a folding stock and 16 1/4" barrels so I can carry in my pack while riding off road. I also have the original version.

What is the weight of that folder setup and how does it shoot? Interested in doing that with one too. Did you buy the barrel as is or have one cut down?

[JohnVH]

and those are contender calibers? Ive been leaning towards the 7-30 as it looks ballistically pretty good for the contenders limits.

[JohnVH]

Funny test yesterday, which way do you think the can will fly? Out? Forward? Hard to tell in the vid but its to the side of the ports.

45-70 TC beer can test

[h20hunter]

Interesting. I think the muzzle blast going across the front of the can pushed it back.

[Fishmasterdan]

What is the weight of that folder setup and how does it shoot? Interested in doing that with one too. Did you buy the barrel as is or have one cut down?

Not sure of the weight.  Shoots lights out with an accuracy barrel from an e arthur brown 6.5 BRM wildcat. Had everything done by E arthur brown. They got me the fore end/stock/and the barrel.