Released Wolves

[wolfbait]

I wonder if these were some of WDFW wolves of the 1980's?

[Bigshooter]

I've read the same arguement before.  Pretty sad.

[NoImpactNoIdea]

Interesting read.

[Wenatcheejay]

Thanks wolfbait, I agree with the blundering of the wolf train wreck that was put upon the West by USDFW. However, I have no doubt from their perspective and WDFW, the program is right on track. Yellowstone is exactly what they want for all ungulates in all the West. If they could do the same to humans they would IMO.

[boneaddict]

I agree with his viewpoint and observations.

THe first wolves I encountered......circa 80-82 I am guessing.  A breeding pair with offspring in the high cascades, were a completely different animal than I am encountering now.   

I encountered one and had an altercation with circa 1990, a decade later, he was a killing machine.  Thats when YOU and I were both told to LIE about the presence of wolves in the valley.   We were both instructed to deny their presence or risk losing our job.  At that time it was refered to as the Libby Creek pack.  We were both employed by the federal government at the time.   I had that one encounter in all that time.  This also coincides with when they dropped the general hunt and coyote hunting during the fall season.  I believe that experiment failed.   

[CementFinisher]

I've heard all that before. Bone who are you referring to as we ? IF you don't mind my asking, what was your job and under which agency

[Curly]

Very interesting read.  And by a guy that should have lots of credibility. 

Seems like a lawsuit could be filed, with info from that letter, against the feds and get all the damn wolves removed.

[Curly]

BTW - what does "GYE" mean? 

[JLS]

So he asserts that the native Rocky Mountain Timber Wolf lived in harmony with tame livestock animals?  Really?  So is that why they were eradicated?  And you think this guy is credible?

[JLS]

BTW - what does "GYE" mean? 

Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem

[CementFinisher]

this info was brought up to delist in Montana and Idaho. it was brought up when writing the washington wolf bill, and the info was scoffed at. around the 1995 introduction  there was a trend of eliminating subspecies of wolves and lumping them together. Now there are only a few recognized species. These are not native wolves.

[CementFinisher]

JLS i don't think he was trying to portray that they lived in harmony, but it is thought that the rmtw were far less aggressive and didn't breed at such high rates, and were much more elusive. All leading to less conflicts

[Curly]

BTW - what does "GYE" mean? 

Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem

Thanks.  I missed that the first time I read the article.

Yeah, it seems like he should be credible.  He has pretty good credentials anyway.  A phd and worked for OES and OSA from '79 - 97.  Seems to have a lot of knowledge of the history of wolves. 

I'd like to hear some of the current bios from USFW refute his claims. 

[buckfvr]

I still think there should be a class action law suit..................

[JLS]

JLS i don't think he was trying to portray that they lived in harmony, but it is thought that the rmtw were far less aggressive and didn't breed at such high rates, and were much more elusive. All leading to less conflicts

If he wasn't trying to portray them living in harmony, why did he say they did?