Wenatchee Pack Attack

[woodywsu]

Beef cow and fetus killed by wolves in mission unit. Wdfw was hesitant to blame wolves for kill. While wdfw was performing necropsy on cow, two wolves appeared on ridge above them. More to come on this. Good reminder to call and express your opinion to state reps

[NoImpactNoIdea]

It's out of control now.  A prime example of what happens when man meddles with nature.  Bring a predator into a place where food is plentiful and tell you that you can't shoot them.  Wolves less than 2 miles from my house--Who'da thunkit?

That reasoning sounds so profound compared to the party line we are being told...are you a scientist by any chance?

Amazing that so many people, except those making the decisions, can see this.

[Heredoggydoggy]

Where abouts is this?

First canyon to the right as you go up Squilchuck towards Mission Ridge Ski Area.  Just up the road from where Methow Street joins Squilchuck Road.  I chukhar hunted Pitcher Canyon 30 years ago.  Now it's full of houses....

[bobcat]

Some of you act like the WDFW is surprised by stuff like this happening. It's no surprise, this is what wolves do. They have to eat. It's not a surprise to us, it's not a surprise to the state, and not to the feds either. But to think that suddenly just because a few animals are being killed, that they're going to modify the wolf plan, to me is wishful thinking. That wolves will kill a few cows should be a known factor. And killing the occasional dog, or course they will, they are just a bigger dog, and dogs fight, that's normal. It's just funny to me how everyone seems so shocked when dead animals are found that were killed by wolves. Did we think the wolves were going to live in this state and not kill anything? What did we think they were going to eat- mice, rabbits, and chipmunks?

[Scottystyle]

WOW... thats practcally in town! This is not cool at all

[Jingles]

Question that I'm pretty sure I know the answer to but the Hybrids are NOT protected species right?  can anyone tell me a way to differentiate between a hybrid and a purebred Wolf?
Reason being if WDFW is saying all these unexplained killings and sightings are hybrids and they are not protected what is to stop a coyote hunter from eliminating a hybrid while out coyote hunting SSS

[KFhunter]

Some of you act like the WDFW is surprised by stuff like this happening. It's no surprise, this is what wolves do. They have to eat. It's not a surprise to us, it's not a surprise to the state, and not to the feds either. But to think that suddenly just because a few animals are being killed, that they're going to modify the wolf plan, to me is wishful thinking. That wolves will kill a few cows should be a known factor. And killing the occasional dog, or course they will, they are just a bigger dog, and dogs fight, that's normal. It's just funny to me how everyone seems so shocked when dead animals are found that were killed by wolves. Did we think the wolves were going to live in this state and not kill anything? What did we think they were going to eat- mice, rabbits, and chipmunks?

Pretty well sums it up I think

I'll go one step further, many folks were counting on the wolves eating cattle thus ending the open range grazing.

[wolfbait]

Beef cow and fetus killed by wolves in mission unit. Wdfw was hesitant to blame wolves for kill. While wdfw was performing necropsy on cow, two wolves appeared on ridge above them. More to come on this. Good reminder to call and express your opinion to state reps

Thats a whole lot better then "by the time we got to the cow their was nothing left except maggots or hip and hide" Another WDFW F-up realized too late.

[bobcat]

Question that I'm pretty sure I know the answer to but the Hybrids are NOT protected species right?  can anyone tell me a way to differentiate between a hybrid and a purebred Wolf?
Reason being if WDFW is saying all these unexplained killings and sightings are hybrids and they are not protected what is to stop a coyote hunter from eliminating a hybrid while out coyote hunting SSS

The WDFW is NOT saying that. Not for any wolves on the east side of the state. I could see them saying that if it were a sighting here on the westside, where there are no confirmed wolf packs. But why would they say it for over there?

There was just an article in the Wenatchee World, today I believe, with a WDFW biologist talking about the wolves near Wenatchee. They're not denying it. Why do people keep saying that? 

[bearpaw]

I just hope this rancher doesn't suffer extended losses like McIrvin's suffered. Currently the WDFW has confirmed numerous packs but I think only 5 BP's, that means we still need 10 more BP's and then the 3 year countdown begins in which they successfully must breed 3 years in a row to begin the delisting process. If the wolf population continues to double during that 3 years we could have 30-55 BP's by the time we can delist according to the wolf plan. Can you imagine the impacts!

Fortunately Commissioner Douvia insisted on an 18 BP's cap so that if we have 18 BP's in any one year wolf delisted can begin. Douvia also insisted on a 75% population threshold for ungulate populations. If wolf impacts cause ungulate herds to drop below 75%, wolf control can happen.

We need to try and retain Douvia on the Commission. 

[wolfbait]

Beef cow and fetus killed by wolves in mission unit. Wdfw was hesitant to blame wolves for kill. While wdfw was performing necropsy on cow, two wolves appeared on ridge above them. More to come on this. Good reminder to call and express your opinion to state reps

Thats a whole lot better then "by the time we got to the cow their was nothing left except maggots or hip and hide" Another WDFW F-up realized too late.

At least WDFW have aknowledge the cow had a calf this time, quite sure they don't want to be stupid twice................................

[NoImpactNoIdea]

Some of you act like the WDFW is surprised by stuff like this happening. It's no surprise, this is what wolves do. They have to eat. It's not a surprise to us, it's not a surprise to the state, and not to the feds either. But to think that suddenly just because a few animals are being killed, that they're going to modify the wolf plan, to me is wishful thinking. That wolves will kill a few cows should be a known factor. And killing the occasional dog, or course they will, they are just a bigger dog, and dogs fight, that's normal. It's just funny to me how everyone seems so shocked when dead animals are found that were killed by wolves. Did we think the wolves were going to live in this state and not kill anything? What did we think they were going to eat- mice, rabbits, and chipmunks?

Pretty well sums it up I think

I'll go one step further, many folks were counting on the wolves eating cattle thus ending the open range grazing.

I dont think that many think that WDFW are surpised that this is happening.  They know that it is going to happen and is happening but continue to deny it to the public.  This denial is going to be more and more difficult the more press that it gets (Your thread had been a great resource for me to use against my prowolf friends by the way).  I also dont think that they are going to change their plan, but I woudl like to see public sentiment turn away from these animals.

[Heredoggydoggy]

It's out of control now.  A prime example of what happens when man meddles with nature.  Bring a predator into a place where food is plentiful and tell you that you can't shoot them.  Wolves less than 2 miles from my house--Who'da thunkit?

That reasoning sounds so profound compared to the party line we are being told...are you a scientist by any chance?

No, just a 40 year resident of Wenatchee.  When I moved here I was on the last street to the South of the Wenatchee City Limits.  Now my neighborhood wants to be annexed into the city because we are an "island of county property". 

[mkcj]

If only the owner's of the cattle would have put some of that flagging around the cows then the wolves would have left them alone. That's what some on here and there wolf hugger friends will say.

[NoImpactNoIdea]

It's out of control now.  A prime example of what happens when man meddles with nature.  Bring a predator into a place where food is plentiful and tell you that you can't shoot them.  Wolves less than 2 miles from my house--Who'da thunkit?

That reasoning sounds so profound compared to the party line we are being told...are you a scientist by any chance?

No, just a 40 year resident of Wenatchee.  When I moved here I was on the last street to the South of the Wenatchee City Limits.  Now my neighborhood wants to be annexed into the city because we are an "island of county property". 

I wish you luck in that fight!