WDFW Claims cow was not wolf kill

[Northway]

Pictures and locations of the Nooksack wolves have been sent to region 4 again...

Okay, so those will be included in the same zone as the Wenatchee, Teanaway, and Lookout packs (North Central.)

What I'm more interested in is confirmation of wolves on the west side, that are within the south cascades/northwest coastal zone.

No wolves need to be on the Peninsula or even the westside of the southern cascades for delisting. If I get a chance I'll pull up the .pdf of the wolf plan and quote the verbiage.

[bobcat]

No wolves need to be on the Peninsula or even the westside of the southern cascades for delisting. If I get a chance I'll pull up the .pdf of the wolf plan and quote the verbiage.

Thanks

[NWWABOWHNTR]

There are already wolves on the west side, so I really don;t think you are going to have to worry about it.  But why would you need to believe me, I'm not a paid WDFW biologist.

 

I just re-sent them to region 4 a few days ago... this biologist I sent them to I trust.  He never seen them the first time I sent them.  ANswer to your question, no feedback to me other than probable hybrids.   
Again, where is the proof?

Pictures and locations of the Nooksack wolves have been sent to region 4 again...

This one of them?

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=79244.0;attach=151798;image

Did they ever even bother to find these when you last reported them?

[cougarbart]

what is a pack concidered?  i know the clockum elk herd, blue mt elk herd and other regions is not one herd all the elk running together? so could there be 5 different packs that they consider one pack?

[Kola16]

what is a pack concidered?  i know the clockum elk herd, blue mt elk herd and other regions is not one herd all the elk running together? so could there be 5 different packs that they consider one pack?

A breeding pair. Male and female and their offspring (if any).

[huntnphool]

what is a pack concidered?  i know the clockum elk herd, blue mt elk herd and other regions is not one herd all the elk running together? so could there be 5 different packs that they consider one pack?

A breeding pair. Male and female and their offspring (if any).

There can be a pack without a BP.

[jackelope]

what is a pack concidered?  i know the clockum elk herd, blue mt elk herd and other regions is not one herd all the elk running together? so could there be 5 different packs that they consider one pack?

A breeding pair. Male and female and their offspring (if any).

There can be a pack without a BP.

Right. A certain number of packs, then a certain number of breeding pairs.
2 different classifications.

[KFhunter]

I have a really hard time with the wolf scavanger theory as well,  due to the fact (using WDFW wolf numbers) there just aren't very many wolves over there. 

A cow carcass just doesn't last long in a coyote/bird filled area. 

 

The pic they showed tells me the wolves would have had to find the carcass within about 12 hours of death. 

Every cow carcass I've ever come across is nearly painted white from bird droppings within a day or two. 
I don't see any bird droppings

[WAcoyotehunter]

There are already wolves on the west side, so I really don;t think you are going to have to worry about it.  But why would you need to believe me, I'm not a paid WDFW biologist.

 

Again, where is the proof?

Pictures and locations of the Nooksack wolves have been sent to region 4 again...

This one of them?

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=79244.0;attach=151798;image

Did they ever even bother to find these when you last reported them?

those dont look much like wolves to me.

[KFhunter]

I've never seen a yote do this in such a short period either,  I'd like to look closer all I have is these pics to go off of.

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/photos/galleries/2013/mar/27/wolves-pitcher-canyon/#http://wenatcheeworld.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/20130327-061603-pic-999892236_t550x450.jpg?ac11bf8fe6c3fa35f94967ba750209537ec39bf0

[KFhunter]

I also don't see a pile of crap from a cow giving birth and struggling with it, also the calf would have been further back.  Looks like they pulled it out the belly and not the rear.

Nothing jiives with what the WDFW say's.   Any cattle rancher could tell this right away.

[Curly]

So, assuming this is a wolf kill (which is highly likely), is the bio:

a) dumb
b) A liar
c) some other option

 

If he is lying, then is he lying so that WDFW doesn't have to pay the rancher for his losses?  Or does he just love wolves so much that he doesn't want to admit that it was a wolf kill?  hmm....

[KFhunter]

So, assuming this is a wolf kill (which is highly likely), is the bio:

a) dumb
b) A liar
c) some other option

 

If he is lying, then is he lying so that WDFW doesn't have to pay the rancher for his losses?  Or does he just love wolves so much that he doesn't want to admit that it was a wolf kill?  hmm....

c) Some other option  (pressure from his chain of command)


It's likely the evidence wasn't conclusive enough as cause of death to satisfy his chain of command.  In the case of the McIrvins for every "confirmend wolf kill" they had many more probable but inconclusive.

being that I don't need to have the same evidence to form my opinion of cause of death I'm going to say a wolf killed it 

edit:  I'd like to see the evidentary requirements for what it takes to have confirmed a wolf kill.

I'd also like to know why that determination cannot be made in the field (if that is indeed the case)

[buckfvr]

Mostly A and B, and throw in some C.

[Curly]

Ok, so somebody sitting behind a desk in Olympia told him to say it wasn't a wolf kill.