WDFW Claims cow was not wolf kill

[bearpaw]

We have a serious problem, two areas of the state are going to be over run with wolves before we get wolves confirmed in the 3rd wolf area. Nobody in WDFW seems to care what happens in the other two wolf areas, all they seem to care about is getting lots of wolves everywhere.

[wolfbait]

Pitcher Canyon is on the fringe of the Colockum elk habitat, “in an area where we would expect a wolf pack to do well,” he said.

Monda said the agency has no prediction on how large a pack could grow near Wenatchee. He said the Lookout pack to the north is “tenuous at best” with just two known wolves right now.

“They are just barely hanging on up there,” he said, adding that while the territory in North Central Washington is prime for wolves, “They aren’t taking off (in numbers) here like they have in other areas.”
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Sounds like Fitkin, Wolves are now fattening up on the deer of  the Golden Doe deer habitat we just bought (2009)

Every wolf sighting within miles around will be part of the Wenatchee pack, and if they have to take a couple wolves out for killing livestock, it will set the wolf pack back for years, just part of the plan.

I see they are still lying about the Lookout pack, you will notice they don't mention any of the other packs in the Methow.

How can they say the wolves aren't taking off they can't see that from their office in Olympia? How many wolf sightings in the last five years have been reported to WDFW and ignored?

[Curly]

A comment on the Wenatchee World article by a guy going by the name "antzrus":

Now the deaths of ungulates is next. Hunters kill approx 300,000 deer yearly in the US. How many are killed by wolves across this country? The less than 100 wolves in this state?

Who deserves the animals? The actual animal predators who need the meat for the literal survival of their species? Or is it the hunters who have plenty of $$$ to spend on pretzels and potato chips, tags, camps, weapons, ammo, beer and free time frolicking with their buds in the boonies?

I'd go with the wolves.

This is the kind of mentality we are up against. 

[wolfbait]

We have a serious problem, two areas of the state are going to be over run with wolves before we get wolves confirmed in the 3rd wolf area. Nobody in WDFW seems to care what happens in the other two wolf areas, all they seem to care about is getting lots of wolves everywhere.

We have had a serious problem for a long time BP, and it's about to get a whole lot worse. Bobcat doesn't want wolves too bad in his part of WA, but he is a bit too late in the complant department. I was talking to a friend of mine the other night, he said he knew of a WDFW bio who wanted to confirm some wolf packs on the wetside, WDFW said NO.

Wolves double in size every year and if they are in good eating even more, this is the same *censored* that ID, MT, and Wyoming went through. State game agencies who hide wolves and lie right up to the point that it is useless, at which time they leap to their feet and cry wolf.

[wolfbait]

A comment on the Wenatchee World article by a guy going by the name "antzrus":

Now the deaths of ungulates is next. Hunters kill approx 300,000 deer yearly in the US. How many are killed by wolves across this country? The less than 100 wolves in this state?

Who deserves the animals? The actual animal predators who need the meat for the literal survival of their species? Or is it the hunters who have plenty of $$$ to spend on pretzels and potato chips, tags, camps, weapons, ammo, beer and free time frolicking with their buds in the boonies?

I'd go with the wolves.

This is the kind of mentality we are up against. 

The USFWS started their wolf propaganda in the 1950's and they are still spouting the same lies, they have brain-washed a whole generation of people. WDFW<Conservation NW, Defenders of Wildlife, mainstream media, have and still are contributing to the same propaganda.

But more people are starting to see through the lies, the wolf issue isn't that easy especially when you have state game agencies lying to the people.

[JLS]

[, this is the same *censored* that ID, MT, and Wyoming went through. State game agencies who hide wolves and lie right up to the point that it is useless, at which time they leap to their feet and cry wolf.

And this is the mentality that makes hunter look ridiculous, the continuous accusations of lies about wolves.  I lived in MT for a long time during the wolf population boom, and there were no lies from that state.  And, contrary to Bearpaw's assertion there were no hunts created to skew numbers to keep harvest stats high.  Lots of cow elk died because of a legislative mandate that all elk populations would be reduced to "objectives" or else.

[MR5x5]

So they want to trap an collar the wolves....

Trap them, move them to the Capital Forest, cross one west side pack off the list.   

Why do they need to establish packs through natural migration? 

[huntnphool]

[, this is the same *censored* that ID, MT, and Wyoming went through. State game agencies who hide wolves and lie right up to the point that it is useless, at which time they leap to their feet and cry wolf.

And this is the mentality that makes hunter look ridiculous, the continuous accusations of lies about wolves. And, contrary to Bearpaw's assertion there were no hunts created to skew numbers to keep harvest stats high

I may have missed it but I don't think Dale ever suggested they skewed the harvest numbers, is this what you are referring too? http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,121068.msg1609065.html#msg1609065

[bobcat]

So they want to trap an collar the wolves....

Trap them, move them to the Capital Forest, cross one west side pack off the list.   

Why do they need to establish packs through natural migration?

No wolves are needed on the westside in order to meet the minimum requirements for delisting. So, let's keep the wolves "over there" please!   

[JLS]

[, this is the same *censored* that ID, MT, and Wyoming went through. State game agencies who hide wolves and lie right up to the point that it is useless, at which time they leap to their feet and cry wolf.

And this is the mentality that makes hunter look ridiculous, the continuous accusations of lies about wolves. And, contrary to Bearpaw's assertion there were no hunts created to skew numbers to keep harvest stats high

I may have missed it but I don't think Dale ever suggested they skewed the harvest numbers, is this what you are referring too? http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,121068.msg1609065.html#msg1609065

[/quote]When I spoke I spoke to the audience, it was apparent the WDFW was there to preach but not to listen to local concerns, when I did ask them questions they actually seemed to not even hear my questions, I had to emphasize "this is a question". I told the audience that WDFW was following the same path that Idaho and Montana followed by using misleading data to hide the damage done by wolves. I told the audience that Idaho had to get rid of certain pro-wolf managers before real wolf management could begin in Idaho. Idaho and Montana increased cow harvest and season length in areas unaffected by wolves to make the elk harvest look stable across the state [/quote]

[huntnphool]

[, this is the same *censored* that ID, MT, and Wyoming went through. State game agencies who hide wolves and lie right up to the point that it is useless, at which time they leap to their feet and cry wolf.

And this is the mentality that makes hunter look ridiculous, the continuous accusations of lies about wolves. And, contrary to Bearpaw's assertion there were no hunts created to skew numbers to keep harvest stats high

I may have missed it but I don't think Dale ever suggested they skewed the harvest numbers, is this what you are referring too? http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,121068.msg1609065.html#msg1609065

When I spoke I spoke to the audience, it was apparent the WDFW was there to preach but not to listen to local concerns, when I did ask them questions they actually seemed to not even hear my questions, I had to emphasize "this is a question". I told the audience that WDFW was following the same path that Idaho and Montana followed by using misleading data to hide the damage done by wolves. I told the audience that Idaho had to get rid of certain pro-wolf managers before real wolf management could begin in Idaho. Idaho and Montana increased cow harvest and season length in areas unaffected by wolves to make the elk harvest look stable across the state [/quote]
[/quote]

I did not read that, thanks. In Dales defense though, Montana did increase their elk seasons two consecutive years into the middle of December. 

[JLS]

No, it's not in Dale's defense.  His assertion is they were doing it to artifially bump harvest numbers to cover up wolf impacts.  The seasons were extended because not enough elk were being killed to meet the legislatively mandated reduction in elk numbers. 

[wolfbait]

[, this is the same *censored* that ID, MT, and Wyoming went through. State game agencies who hide wolves and lie right up to the point that it is useless, at which time they leap to their feet and cry wolf.

And this is the mentality that makes hunter look ridiculous, the continuous accusations of lies about wolves.  I lived in MT for a long time during the wolf population boom, and there were no lies from that state.  And, contrary to Bearpaw's assertion there were no hunts created to skew numbers to keep harvest stats high.  Lots of cow elk died because of a legislative mandate that all elk populations would be reduced to "objectives" or else.

The Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd
http://idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20a … 20herd.pdf

[JLS]

Your link doesn't work, and yes I know all about the Northern Yellowstone elk herd.  I also know that the herd level was way too high for the winter range, and that hunters were killing elk by the hundreds and thousands every year during the late elk hunt.  I also know that wolves have had an impact on the numbers.

[wolfbait]

Your link doesn't work, and yes I know all about the Northern Yellowstone elk herd.  I also know that the herd level was way too high for the winter range, and that hunters were killing elk by the hundreds and thousands every year during the late elk hunt.  I also know that wolves have had an impact on the numbers.

The Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd

http://idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/George%20Dovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2017%20Feb-Mar%202006%20The%20Northern%20Yellowstone%20elk%20herd.pdf