Who's applying? WDFW hiring 2 more wolf trappers.

[Special T]

Say a release, or the withholding of wolf documentation.

[villageidiot]

There are some very qualified people out there that can certainly catch wolves but I really doubt WDFW would hire them because they are considered outlaws because they actually got caught doing this very thing.  They do have BS degrees in wildlife.   If you want to get a job done one would think you go get the people that have proven themselves.

[wolfbait]

I was not going to post about what I know and knew about the two jobs that are posted.  First off I was sent the posting from the HR person in F&W via an e-mail on the 2nd.  Why? I think that they wanted me to apply.  Why?  Maybe my statement at the meeting the 27th was too close to the truth, I do not know.  The job is a union job, so the job description and qualifications are contractual.  The jobs are for only 6 months.  They would like some one that knows how to trap but they want some one to spend time determining the pack locations and setting up game cams so they can get pictures of the wolf pups so that they can work within their recovery plan.  If they want to get collars on the wolves my guess is that they will get Paul Frame to do it.  He did trap two wolves in a day in the wedge so he must not be too bad or the wedge wolves were really dumb.  If they just wanted to trap the wolves the cheapest way would be to contract with ADC, those trappers know how to trap wolves.  As to us helping with the locations and number of packs.  I tried to set up a little class on field documentation of tracks and other things so that the information would be defensible and of value.  Well the 27th we did not have much of a turn out.  No show, no hope.   Also there are members of staff of F&W that have not drank the cool aid on wolves are good and fine.   They get beat up by their boss's and us the public.

"Also there are members of staff of F&W that have not drank the cool aid on wolves are good and fine.   They get beat up by their boss's and us the public."

I have seen this also Waterdoctor, their are several who work for WDFW who can't tell the truth or it is their job. There have been some who went against the wishes of the USFWS and upper management and the brainwashed bio's and suffered, for just wanting to do their job.

Just like Idaho, the truth is now starting to come out, but it will still be too late for WA. These people who work for WDFW on "our side" wish for it perhaps more then we do, as they will be exonerated.

[JLS]

Just like Idaho, the truth is now starting to come out, but it will still be too late for WA. These people who work for WDFW on "our side" wish for it perhaps more then we do, as they will be exonerated.

And what is this "truth" that came out in Idaho?

[Special T]

That they were "imported" from Canada without the proper permits, or the proper preventative measures to make sure no diseases came with them.

[wolfbait]

Just like Idaho, the truth is now starting to come out, but it will still be too late for WA. These people who work for WDFW on "our side" wish for it perhaps more then we do, as they will be exonerated.

And what is this "truth" that came out in Idaho?

I guess you are new to the wolf issue JLS? It took 14 years for IDFG to finally admitt that the wolves were decimating the elk herds, it won't take 14 years for WA game herds to be in a predator pit.

I could go on but you can learn more by going back through the wolf threads here on W-H.






http://saveelk.com/wolf_030.htm

[JLS]

Just like Idaho, the truth is now starting to come out,

And what is this "truth" that came out in Idaho?

I guess you are new to the wolf issue JLS?

Nope, not new at all.  Just trying to decipher what exactly you were talking about since you articulated it so well.

[wolfbait]

That they were "imported" from Canada without the proper permits, or the proper preventative measures to make sure no diseases came with them.

Correct SP-T, which means the wolves that WDFW are protecting were brought into the US illegally, there could be some lawsuits and some major wolf killing in the future.

Of course that will be after the wolves have done what they were brought in to do.

[Curly]

That they were "imported" from Canada without the proper permits, or the proper preventative measures to make sure no diseases came with them.

Correct SP-T, which means the wolves that WDFW are protecting were brought into the US illegally, there could be some lawsuits and some major wolf killing in the future.

Of course that will be after the wolves have done what they were brought in to do.

If it can be proven, why not have law suits now instead of after the wolves decimate the herds?    Makes no sense to me.

[JLS]

That they were "imported" from Canada without the proper permits, or the proper preventative measures to make sure no diseases came with them.

Correct SP-T, which means the wolves that WDFW are protecting were brought into the US illegally, there could be some lawsuits and some major wolf killing in the future.

Of course that will be after the wolves have done what they were brought in to do.

So, I'll ask again.  If there is so much expose information of these illegal acts, why haven't there been lawsuits filed?    I don't profess to know everything and I'll be the first to admit I'm not all that smart.  However, I have a very hard time believing that if there is all of this info floating around, and it's actually legitimate, that it would take almost 20 years for a lawsuit to be filed and the removal process started.

Edit:  Looks like Curly and I were typing at the same time.

[Special T]

I'm not sure how many of you have been involved in a laws suit. 1 it takes LOTS of $$$. 2 you have to have ALL your evidence wrapped in a nice bow before you can even approach a lawsuit. 3 If you want to get any kind of cooperation from ANY Gov agency or State rep you have to not only have it all wrapped up in a nice little bow, you have to find the "right guy" to talk to get you any help. 

[wolfbait]

I'm not sure how many of you have been involved in a laws suit. 1 it takes LOTS of $$$. 2 you have to have ALL your evidence wrapped in a nice bow before you can even approach a lawsuit. 3 If you want to get any kind of cooperation from ANY Gov agency or State rep you have to not only have it all wrapped up in a nice little bow, you have to find the "right guy" to talk to get you any help. 

And that is where we are today,  WA verses DFand Wolves. It should be interresting, at any rate WDFW are going to have to submit stuff they really don't want the public to see. Such as wolf releases by their department. 

[Northway]

I'm not sure how many of you have been involved in a laws suit. 1 it takes LOTS of $$$. 2 you have to have ALL your evidence wrapped in a nice bow before you can even approach a lawsuit. 3 If you want to get any kind of cooperation from ANY Gov agency or State rep you have to not only have it all wrapped up in a nice little bow, you have to find the "right guy" to talk to get you any help. 

I think the lawsuit idea may have originated several years ago with Bob Fanning, who moved to Montana from Chicago. It never went anywhere; lack of funds is the claim made by some?

What I have a hard time believing is that if there was actually a solid case, why wouldn't someone like Don Peay come forward and fund the lawsuit? If he didn't have it himself, Peay certainly has access to very deep pockets, and he hates wolves as much as anyone.

People file lawsuits without having their ducks in a row all the time.

[JLS]

I'm not sure how many of you have been involved in a laws suit. 1 it takes LOTS of $$$. 2 you have to have ALL your evidence wrapped in a nice bow before you can even approach a lawsuit. 3 If you want to get any kind of cooperation from ANY Gov agency or State rep you have to not only have it all wrapped up in a nice little bow, you have to find the "right guy" to talk to get you any help. 

I think the lawsuit idea may have originated several years ago with Bob Fanning, who moved to Montana from Chicago. It never went anywhere; lack of funds is the claim made by some?

What I have a hard time believing is that if there was actually a solid case, why wouldn't someone like Don Peay come forward and fund the lawsuit? If he didn't have it himself, Peay certainly has access to very deep pockets, and he hates wolves as much as anyone.

People file lawsuits without having their ducks in a row all the time.

Exactly, SFW and BGF make money all the time off of anti wolf propoganda.  I'm sure they have more than one high powered attorney in their membership.

[Special T]

I would say it depends on the leave of proof you have. IF there was video footage it would be a slam dunk. Video footage is VERY damning. Lawsuits have been filed and won on just Eye witnesses. How did anyone ever win one before Cam corders? It is much more time consuming, top that off with 2 other facts. 1 Your opponent has unlimited funds to defend them selves. 2 If you screw it up and try to go after them BEFORE you have everything lined up them BAM! you lost your opportunity... It becomes EXTREAMLY difficult to file a second lawsuit after you screwed up the first one... No one wants to pay 2x for an expensive lawsuit especially when you have limited energy/funds and your opponenet does not. 

I have experience with lawsuits, and anyone who has been involved in one can telly you, 99% of the time they are not slam dunks.