Wolf kills deer in Wenatchee yard

[NOCK NOCK]

Alberta has thousands of wolves and how often do you hear of a kid getting packed off and eaten?

And excellent Whitey hunting.

[wolfbait]

Alberta has thousands of wolves and how often do you hear of a kid getting packed off and eaten?

What is the population, per vast wilderness JLS. I will give you a few days to calculate that one.

[JLS]

Alberta has thousands of wolves and how often do you hear of a kid getting packed off and eaten?

What is the population, per vast wilderness JLS. I will give you a few days to calculate that one.

Don't need to do any calculations, here's another example.  Idaho and Montana combined have about 1500 wolves.  How many kids have been packed off and eaten?

[wolfbait]

Alberta has thousands of wolves and how often do you hear of a kid getting packed off and eaten?

What is the population, per vast wilderness JLS. I will give you a few days to calculate that one.

Don't need to do any calculations, here's another example.  Idaho and Montana combined have about 1500 wolves.  How many kids have been packed off and eaten?

I think you should answer your first question, as far as your second one, I would have to calculate how many wolves were shot around home first. You need to understand ID, MT and WY people are not as stupid as WA people, that is the main reason the wolf introduction was conducted in those states. They would be the hardest to shove wolves on once the truth was known. And yes they had their share of Jackelopes, and Wacoyotes and still do. 

Read this JLS:

What They Didn't Tell You About Wolf Recovery

http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/George%20Dovel/The_Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf

FWS Biologist Says Wolf Numbers Underestimated

Mech Says 3,000 Wolves Exist in ID, MT & WY http://rliv.com/pic/TheOutdoorsmanMay.pdf

 

[Wenatcheejay]

Doesn't Alberta have like four times the landmass and half the people of Washington?

[mkcj]

So much for one of the huggers favorite statements that wolves avoid human contact, Yet 1 tries to eat a dog on the deck of a house in Twisp and this 1 eats a deer in the backyard of a house. There must not be any prey in the woods around those homes or our wolves just are not as smart/afraid as wolves in other states.

[jackelope]

be thankful they arent in your back yard. the fact is they are in mine, and you will not discount my concern about this.

I make no attempt to discount your concern and that was not the intention. Your backyard is a short drive from my backyard and I spend a fair amount of time there. I have family in e-wa and the wolves have literally been in their front yard(pasture) chasing deer.

Lets just all calm down and wait for delisting or jack will delete the thread as it is getting to informative. How's that working for you now jack? Are you going to delete this thread?
Who has been supplying wolves to WDFW for their releases. Who started the wolf introduction in Idaho and the Yellowstones Hint, Hint.

Hint, Hint.... because you've obviously forgot what I have said in the past...Just for clarification the comments I have made in the past regarding wolfbait's claims where I have said just sit back and wait for delisting...What I have said several times in the past, maybe even dozens of times, that WB is trying to put a spin on was to report wolf sightings. Don't just sit back and complain. Every confirmed wolf, wolf pack, breeding pair, etc is 1 step closer to delisting. Delisting is management on the state level. I'm not sure what Washington would do if/when that ever happens, but if anything is ever going to happen, us folks who are out there and seeing the wolves in the woods need to do our part and report them. I have never said anything about "just waiting for delisting".  Just wanted to clear up Wolfbait's spin on my statements.

[pianoman9701]

Alberta has a land mass of 255,500 sq miles and a population of 3.65 million = pop. density of 14.29 people per sq mile
WA has a land mass of 71,362 sq miles and a population of 6.9 million = pop. density of 96.7 people per sq mile.

WA has a population density 6.77 times greater than Alberta. Human/wolf conflict, using these numbers alone, is far more likely in WA than in AB. This is a great example of the serious mistake the commission has made with their aggressive wolf plan, not only the number of breeding pairs, but the lapse of time required once the target of 15 is met - 3 years - before management is to take place. Keep in mind that we have 16 times the population density of MT, yet have 50% more packs required before state delisting and the countdown to management. MT is having severe problems, especially near the GYA. ID is having some of the same problems. The stage is set for WA to have problems unmatched in these other states. Not only the number of packs required, but the ridiculous 3 year waiting period before statewide management can start is unprecedented. If you're concerned about the problems in MT and ID, you've seen nothing yet. WA's ungulates will disappear, as will our hunting opportunities, to feed these critters. Costs to the state for reimbursement to ranchers and private citizens may double or triple every year, as may the cost of maintaining the program. We know that last year, the cost was $750K. This year, they're predicting a cost of $2.3 million, an increase of 3 times.

[Heredoggydoggy]

Just wait until all the deer are gone, and they find out how easy it is to get a meal at the Bus Stops.... 

[JLS]

MT is having severe problems, especially near the GYA. ID is having some of the same problems.

What type of problems are you referring to?

[pianoman9701]

decrease in ungulate herds of up to 80%. A large number of outfitters have shut their doors and hunting/tourism economies are hurting in both states. Apparently, wolf watchers don't bring in near as much money as hunters. Revenues to the MFWP and IFG are down from out of state hunters, especially.

[AspenBud]

Alberta has a land mass of 255,500 sq miles and a population of 3.65 million = pop. density of 14.29 people per sq mile
WA has a land mass of 71,362 sq miles and a population of 6.9 million = pop. density of 96.7 people per sq mile.

A better comparison is Minnesota.

Land mass around 87,000 square miles and a population of 5,344,861 people. Or 61 people per square miles They have a wolf population of around 3000 and growing and even at their lowest point they've had more wolves than Washington does now. At least according to official records. If you play your cards right you can kill five deer a season in Minnesota I believe. They are rats with antlers the farther east you go.

[pianoman9701]

Alberta has a land mass of 255,500 sq miles and a population of 3.65 million = pop. density of 14.29 people per sq mile
WA has a land mass of 71,362 sq miles and a population of 6.9 million = pop. density of 96.7 people per sq mile.

A better comparison is Minnesota.

Land mass around 87,000 square miles and a population of 5,344,861 people. Or 61 people per square miles They have a wolf population of around 3000 and growing and even at their lowest point they've had more wolves than Washington does now. At least according to official records. If you play your cards right you can kill five deer a season in Minnesota I believe. They are rats with antlers the farther east you go.

No, that's not a great comparison. The geography and the animal mix in Minnesota is completely different from WA. A comparison to MT and ID is much more valid and those states are not doing well with the wolves they have. We also know that whitetails (MN) are far more abundant and reproduce faster than either blackies or mule deer. There are also no elk to speak of in Minnesota - very small population there.

[Special T]

be thankful they arent in your back yard. the fact is they are in mine, and you will not discount my concern about this.

I make no attempt to discount your concern and that was not the intention. Your backyard is a short drive from my backyard and I spend a fair amount of time there. I have family in e-wa and the wolves have literally been in their front yard(pasture) chasing deer.

Lets just all calm down and wait for delisting or jack will delete the thread as it is getting to informative. How's that working for you now jack? Are you going to delete this thread?
Who has been supplying wolves to WDFW for their releases. Who started the wolf introduction in Idaho and the Yellowstones Hint, Hint.

Hint, Hint.... because you've obviously forgot what I have said in the past...Just for clarification the comments I have made in the past regarding wolfbait's claims where I have said just sit back and wait for delisting...What I have said several times in the past, maybe even dozens of times, that WB is trying to put a spin on was to report wolf sightings. Don't just sit back and complain. Every confirmed wolf, wolf pack, breeding pair, etc is 1 step closer to delisting. Delisting is management on the state level. I'm not sure what Washington would do if/when that ever happens, but if anything is ever going to happen, us folks who are out there and seeing the wolves in the woods need to do our part and report them. I have never said anything about "just waiting for delisting".  Just wanted to clear up Wolfbait's spin on my statements.

That also means that we should push/force the documentation of wolf packs, especially since people have known where wolves are for some time.

[denali]

Alberta has a land mass of 255,500 sq miles and a population of 3.65 million = pop. density of 14.29 people per sq mile
WA has a land mass of 71,362 sq miles and a population of 6.9 million = pop. density of 96.7 people per sq mile.

A better comparison is Minnesota.

Land mass around 87,000 square miles and a population of 5,344,861 people. Or 61 people per square miles They have a wolf population of around 3000 and growing and even at their lowest point they've had more wolves than Washington does now. At least according to official records. If you play your cards right you can kill five deer a season in Minnesota I believe. They are rats with antlers the farther east you go.

No, that's not a great comparison. The geography and the animal mix in Minnesota is completely different from WA. A comparison to MT and ID is much more valid and those states are not doing well with the wolves they have. We also know that whitetails (MN) are far more abundant and reproduce faster than either blackies or mule deer. There are also no elk to speak of in Minnesota - very small population there.

also MN has few cougars and a smaller bear population.