Washington Sheep Tags

[chukarchaser]

Why and for how long are they committed to WSF for this tag?  I think mor einfo is warranted from WDFW maybe Big Tex can chime in

[jackelope]

As I understood it and if I recall correctly, for the foreseeable future. WSF donates the raffle money directly to WSU for research. That doesn't  happen with the wdfw run raffles. If there was no research money, there'd be no sheep. As it sits right now there may be no sheep. Again, look at what happened In the Tieton unit this year or the umtanum last year.  Not sure Bigtex has much info on this as he is in law enforcement. I could be wrong though.

I still want a cap on raffle tickets.

[huntnphool]

As I understood it and if I recall correctly, for the foreseeable future. WSF donates the raffle money directly to WSU for research. That doesn't  happen with the wdfw run raffles. If there was no research money, there'd be no sheep. As it sits right now there may be no sheep. Again, look at what happened In the Tieton unit this year or the umtanum last year.  Not sure Bigtex has much info on this as he is in law enforcement. I could be wrong though.

I still want a cap on raffle tickets.

How can we push for a cap?

[RaffleMule]

Phool/Jackelope, I'm not disagreeing with you but why do you want a cap?  I have heard multiple people  make an argument that more tickets would be sold if there were a cap therefore decreasing a persons odds of drawing.

Do you feel it's unfair someone with the means to buy 2500 tix should win a raffle even if it has no effect on the person buying one ticket? 

Just asking......
 

[jackelope]

With your raffle history you're not aloud to ask questions.
 

I don't want to say that it's unfair for a guy to drop $40k on raffle tickets but come on...look at last year. At least 2 raffle tickets for elk and the 3 deer were basically bought at $20k+ spent on the tickets. Tell me someone isn't going to "buy" the chance to hunt these sheep?? It's a double edged sword. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. At least everyone would have the same chance. It may be a bad chance but its equally bad across the board.

[B.G.hunter]

It's a double edged sword.

[whacker1]

Phool/Jackelope, I'm not disagreeing with you but why do you want a cap?  I have heard multiple people  make an argument that more tickets would be sold if there were a cap therefore decreasing a persons odds of drawing.

Do you feel it's unfair someone with the means to buy 2500 tix should win a raffle even if it has no effect on the person buying one ticket? 

Just asking......

I have quit buying tickets in certain raffles, because there have been several people that have come in and bought 1000 tickets and total 2500 sold for that raffle.  I agree that they should have a 1 in 3 chance in winning with buying that many tickets, but I can only afford to maybe buy 10 - 20 tickets if I isolate to one raffle.  But typically I buy 1 NE raffle, 1 sheep raffle, 1 SE raffle, 1 mule deer, 1 moose, 1 eastern elk, and maybe a handful of others or double up to 2.  It deters people from buying 1 or 2 tickets when the person that buys 1000 tickets and wins year after year in different categories. 

If there were someone that were willing to admit that they bought 1000 tickets and lost, well that would be a win for the little man, but we don't hear about that.  We just here about the other scenario.

But it is hard to say no to a raffle ticket when the cause is research as it is in this case.  I wish WDFW would change them all so that 100% of proceeds went to research for all raffles.

Western Elk could go to hoof rot.

NE raffle could go to wolf research as that is the population deal breaker right now.

etc. etc. etc.

[RaffleMule]

It's totally unfair if someone spends 40K and it diminishes the odds of someone who buys one ticket.

But, the sentiment on here is the odds wouldn't change by putting a cap on it.  Therefore, maybe we are making too big a stink about it when our odds are the same either way.

I know, easy for me to say but would people have been pissed if they didn't know John Doe bought 40K worth of tickets?

[huntnphool]

Phool/Jackelope, I'm not disagreeing with you but why do you want a cap?  I have heard multiple people  make an argument that more tickets would be sold if there were a cap therefore decreasing a persons odds of drawing.

Do you feel it's unfair someone with the means to buy 2500 tix should win a raffle even if it has no effect on the person buying one ticket? 

Just asking......

Regardless of odds, I would much rather see the tags go to someone that otherwise would never have the funds available to purchase one of these hunts on their own. Lets face it, if someone has the means to drop 2500 chances into the pot then they also have the means to simply bid in the auctions.

[whacker1]

Phool/Jackelope, I'm not disagreeing with you but why do you want a cap?  I have heard multiple people  make an argument that more tickets would be sold if there were a cap therefore decreasing a persons odds of drawing.

Do you feel it's unfair someone with the means to buy 2500 tix should win a raffle even if it has no effect on the person buying one ticket? 

Just asking......

Regardless of odds, I would much rather see the tags go to someone that otherwise would never have the funds available to purchase one of these hunts on their own. Lets face it, if someone has the means to drop 2500 chances into the pot then they also have the means to simply bid in the auctions.

spot on.......which is why I don't buy a ticket in the ones that are obviously getting bought by big spenders.

[huntnphool]

Phool/Jackelope, I'm not disagreeing with you but why do you want a cap?  I have heard multiple people  make an argument that more tickets would be sold if there were a cap therefore decreasing a persons odds of drawing.

Do you feel it's unfair someone with the means to buy 2500 tix should win a raffle even if it has no effect on the person buying one ticket? 

Just asking......

Regardless of odds, I would much rather see the tags go to someone that otherwise would never have the funds available to purchase one of these hunts on their own. Lets face it, if someone has the means to drop 2500 chances into the pot then they also have the means to simply bid in the auctions.

which is why I don't buy a ticket in the ones that are obviously getting bought by big spenders.

Which is what I suggested a while ago in a different thread.

So would you participate in the raffle if there was a 5 or 10 ticket cap?

[RaffleMule]

Regardless of odds, I would much rather see the tags go to someone that otherwise would never have the funds available to purchase one of these hunts on their own. Lets face it, if someone has the means to drop 2500 chances into the pot then they also have the means to simply bid in the auctions.
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+1

Although, you're starting to sound like Obama!   

[jackelope]

It's totally unfair if someone spends 40K and it diminishes the odds of someone who buys one ticket.

But, the sentiment on here is the odds wouldn't change by putting a cap on it.  Therefore, maybe we are making too big a stink about it when our odds are the same either way.

I know, easy for me to say but would people have been pissed if they didn't know John Doe bought 40K worth of tickets?

Maybe it's psychological to me. I don't buy raffle tickets anymore. What's the point. How much did the guy spend on the eastside elk raffle last year? $30k?? That's more than 1k tickets isn't it? I don't even remember how much they cost.

[huntnphool]

Regardless of odds, I would much rather see the tags go to someone that otherwise would never have the funds available to purchase one of these hunts on their own. Lets face it, if someone has the means to drop 2500 chances into the pot then they also have the means to simply bid in the auctions.

+1

Although, you're starting to sound like Obama!   

You are confused, Obama would have those that have the means to purchase 2500 tickets taxed higher, then use that tax revenue to purchase tickets and hand them out to those that can't afford to purchase their own, big difference!

[whacker1]

Phool/Jackelope, I'm not disagreeing with you but why do you want a cap?  I have heard multiple people  make an argument that more tickets would be sold if there were a cap therefore decreasing a persons odds of drawing.

Do you feel it's unfair someone with the means to buy 2500 tix should win a raffle even if it has no effect on the person buying one ticket? 

Just asking......

Regardless of odds, I would much rather see the tags go to someone that otherwise would never have the funds available to purchase one of these hunts on their own. Lets face it, if someone has the means to drop 2500 chances into the pot then they also have the means to simply bid in the auctions.

which is why I don't buy a ticket in the ones that are obviously getting bought by big spenders.

Which is what I suggested a while ago in a different thread.

So would you participate in the raffle if there was a 5 or 10 ticket cap?

Yes, I would be more likely.

I watch the ticket sales about every time they update, and it usually becomes pretty obvious which of the raffles had a big ticket buyer come into the equation.  A few years ago the NE raffle was running really light, so I bought a rafflet ticket, and then a few weeks later, the number of tickets sold went from 700 range to 1700 range.  Not rocket science to figure out that someone bought 500-750 tickets.  So I didn't buy any more raffle tickets in that category that year.

Next year I watched them all to the end and then selected a couple of them and bought 2 or 3 tickets in each of those 2 categories.