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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2013, 10:29:18 AM »
It is far from over folks... We need to stay vigilant.

The battle rages on.  Remember the anti-gun millionaire's alliance out of Seattle that are determined to buy (push through) their anti-gun agenda using initiatives.  Along with their initiatives will come the flood of propaganda to convince those that are undecided that their anti-gun initiatives need to pass.

We need to continue to educate people and warn them of the pending onslaught of anti-gun propaganda that will be released along with the anti-gun initiative drive.

We must remain vigilant and stand united to defeat these attacks on our rights and freedoms.

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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2013, 10:32:51 AM »
An executive action is about as effective as an executive declaration - they have no teeth in our law whatsoever. An executive order, however, is powerful stuff. I do feel though that if the President were to try executive orders for anything the Senate has already dismissed, he'd be in a ton of crap without a single sheet of toilet paper.
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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2013, 10:35:38 AM »
Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them? 

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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2013, 10:42:08 AM »
Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?

Here we go.....     :peep:    Better close the "gun show loophole" where 1% of criminals get their guns.   :bash:

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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2013, 10:47:19 AM »
Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?
There are far more people out there who should not have cars, killing way more people than guns. Put the gun issue on hold and let's deal with something more serious. How do you think we should prevent irresponsible people from having cars?
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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2013, 10:48:35 AM »
43,000 Americans killed in vehicles every year.

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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2013, 11:03:20 AM »
Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?
There are far more people out there who should not have cars, killing way more people than guns. Put the gun issue on hold and let's deal with something more serious. How do you think we should prevent irresponsible people from having cars?

Yes, we've all heard the illogical fallacy about cars killing more people than guns.  Feel free to regurgitate a few more that I've already heard a thousand times though.

Don't get me wrong guys.  I am all for the second amendment in its entirety.  I own lots of guns, including "assault rifles" with "high cap" magazines.  I'm just trying to say that there are a lot of crazy a$$ mo fo's out there who should not own guns.  If you disagree with that statement then I would seriously question your intelligence. 

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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2013, 11:04:37 AM »
Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?

Do you have any statistics on the number of mentally ill people who've committed gun violence with legally purchased firearms? I'd be interested to know because if the government is able to limit my ability, or the ability of a war vet (and perhaps hundreds of thousands of other people) to own or purchase a firearm based on the deaths of a dozen people nationwide, I would say that we would save more lives by not doing it and allowing our citizenry to be armed and able to defend themselves and their families.

I don't believe in the phrase "if it saves just one life". Possibly, if it only saves one life, it's forfeiting 20 others. Also, people die to help me maintain my rights because I deserve those rights and have done nothing to forfeit them. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers have died for my rights. Do I give them up because one person dies? 20?

I agree that crazy people shouldn't own guns. But I'm also not blind to the fact that there are anti-gun rights politicians out there who'd love to broaden the definition of "crazy" so they could grab more guns. This debate is not all that cut and dry as you imply.
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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2013, 11:05:02 AM »
Well I don't want any bureaucrat of the United States government being the arbiter of who should own guns and who should not. Nor do I want my doctor or any mental health professional.

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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2013, 11:05:25 AM »
Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?
You can't!!!
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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2013, 11:06:19 AM »
Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?

For one, they could try enforcing the laws the way they already exist.  Stop minimizing sentences for financial reasons/excuses.  You simply can not take away the rights of everyone in hopes of getting to the few you hope to stop. 

Look beyond bad guys and crime.  As stated, see the automobile.......There is a distinct probability this is not about keeping a few nut cases from having guns.

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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2013, 11:12:07 AM »
Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?
There are far more people out there who should not have cars, killing way more people than guns. Put the gun issue on hold and let's deal with something more serious. How do you think we should prevent irresponsible people from having cars?

Yes, we've all heard the illogical fallacy about cars killing more people than guns.  Feel free to regurgitate a few more that I've already heard a thousand times though.

Don't get me wrong guys.  I am all for the second amendment in its entirety.  I own lots of guns, including "assault rifles" with "high cap" magazines.  I'm just trying to say that there are a lot of crazy a$$ mo fo's out there who should not own guns.  If you disagree with that statement then I would seriously question your intelligence.
The point is, it's not truly about safety. People die from way more things every year than guns. The reason for the attention on guns is that they represent and ensure our liberty. If you cannot see that then this discussion is over.
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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2013, 11:12:27 AM »
Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them? 

Enforcing existing laws.  Tougher penalties for crimes committed with firearms. 

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Re: Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2013, 11:14:42 AM »
Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?
I don't believe in the phrase "if it saves just one life". Possibly, if it only saves one life, it's forfeiting 20 others.
This is not about guns, its about the 2014 election. If Obama was truly concerned with saving "just one" then he would turn his attention to abortion/infanticide and the press would be reporting on the Kermit Gosnell case, but once again............the sheeple are being fed the propaganda the Obama machine wants them to eat.
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