Obama taking executive action on guns after Senate vote

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Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?

I don't believe in the phrase "if it saves just one life". Possibly, if it only saves one life, it's forfeiting 20 others.

This is not about guns, its about the 2014 election. If Obama was truly concerned with saving "just one" then he would turn his attention to abortion/infanticide and the press would be reporting on the Kermit Gosnell case, but once again............the sheeple are being fed the propaganda the Obama machine wants them to eat.

Not to derail the thread but it is shocking how many people know nothing of this monsters trial.

[Bean Counter]

Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them? 

Enforcing existing laws.  Tougher penalties for crimes committed with firearms.

Truth be known and in all honesty, I think this oft circulated statement amongst conservative circles falls flat. I don't want to enforce the gun laws we already have, I want most of them repealed. I want the criminal laws we have enforced.

There are already thousands of Constitutional infringements on the books as it is, I don't want to justify those by saying "no more,  we'll keep what we have." 

[netcoyote]

Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?

You can't!!!

Every freedom comes at a price...

[huntnphool]

Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?

You can't!!!

Every freedom comes at a price...

And I'm okay with it.

[fishngamereaper]

Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them? 

Enforcing existing laws.  Tougher penalties for crimes committed with firearms.

Truth be known and in all honesty, I think this oft circulated statement amongst conservative circles falls flat. I don't want to enforce the gun laws we already have, I want most of them repealed. I want the criminal laws we have enforced.

There are already thousands of Constitutional infringements on the books as it is, I don't want to justify those by saying "no more,  we'll keep what we have." 

Thats the bigger issue. Criminals these days have no fear of the justice system. I rarely see mandatory minimum sentences ever given. I could do 200 burglaries and maybe get 4-6 months in jail.  Meanwhile the 200 plus guns I stole are still on the street in the hands of people that cant lawfully own them. Its not the guns fault, it never has been.

Im tired of gun law talk and rehtoric BS. Get back to the roots of why criminal laws where made, to deter crime and remove those that commit crime from society....leave the guns alone.

[Doublelunger]

Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?

Do you have any statistics on the number of mentally ill people who've committed gun violence with legally purchased firearms? I'd be interested to know because if the government is able to limit my ability, or the ability of a war vet (and perhaps hundreds of thousands of other people) to own or purchase a firearm based on the deaths of a dozen people nationwide, I would say that we would save more lives by not doing it and allowing our citizenry to be armed and able to defend themselves and their families.

I don't believe in the phrase "if it saves just one life". Possibly, if it only saves one life, it's forfeiting 20 others. Also, people die to help me maintain my rights because I deserve those rights and have done nothing to forfeit them. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers have died for my rights. Do I give them up because one person dies? 20?

I agree that crazy people shouldn't own guns. But I'm also not blind to the fact that there are anti-gun rights politicians out there who'd love to broaden the definition of "crazy" so they could grab more guns. This debate is not all that cut and dry as you imply.

Piano man, I agree with you.  I'm not trying to say its cut and dry at all.  My original question was..."Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?" As a matter of fact I don't agree with any proposed legislation that I've heard so far.  I just get tired of the "don't give an inch", "stay vigilant", "from my cold dead hands" mentality.  There has got to be a better way to keep guns out of the hands of those who should not have them.  I don't personally have an answer. Maybe if people were a little more open minded we could somehow find a compromise. 

[Fl0und3rz]

Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them? 

Enforcing existing laws.  Tougher penalties for crimes committed with firearms.

Truth be known and in all honesty, I think this oft circulated statement amongst conservative circles falls flat. I don't want to enforce the gun laws we already have, I want most of them repealed. I want the criminal laws we have enforced.

There are already thousands of Constitutional infringements on the books as it is, I don't want to justify those by saying "no more,  we'll keep what we have." 

I agree. With the terse reply is easy to misunderstand my intent.  My focus is not on the unconstitutional infringements.  Rather, we have way too many repeat offenders on the loose.  And we blame the inanimate object when one of these repeat offenders re-offends.  It's near impossible to get access to "illegal guns" when you are behind bars, facing a life sentence, or awaiting execution.

Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?

You can't!!!

Every freedom comes at a price...

And I'm okay with it.

Hear. Hear.

[huntnphool]

Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?

Do you have any statistics on the number of mentally ill people who've committed gun violence with legally purchased firearms? I'd be interested to know because if the government is able to limit my ability, or the ability of a war vet (and perhaps hundreds of thousands of other people) to own or purchase a firearm based on the deaths of a dozen people nationwide, I would say that we would save more lives by not doing it and allowing our citizenry to be armed and able to defend themselves and their families.

I don't believe in the phrase "if it saves just one life". Possibly, if it only saves one life, it's forfeiting 20 others. Also, people die to help me maintain my rights because I deserve those rights and have done nothing to forfeit them. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers have died for my rights. Do I give them up because one person dies? 20?

I agree that crazy people shouldn't own guns. But I'm also not blind to the fact that there are anti-gun rights politicians out there who'd love to broaden the definition of "crazy" so they could grab more guns. This debate is not all that cut and dry as you imply.

I don't personally have an answer. Maybe if people were a little more open minded we could somehow find a compromise.

You don't have the answer because there isn't one. Unless you could somehow destroy every firearm ever produced, criminals will find a way to get them, period. Compromise will only effect those that are not going to commit crimes anyway.

[turkeyfeather]

  There is no way to stop it without infringing on honest people's rights. That's why we have to have a "from my cold dead hands attitude."

[snowpack]

Their are a lot of people out there who should not have guns....how do you guys think we should prevent them from having them?

start with enforcing the existing laws to include the 22,000 that just pertain to guns.

[magnanimous_j]

.  I don't personally have an answer. Maybe if people were a little more open minded we could somehow find a compromise.

There might not be one. Even something as seemingly obvious as “crazy people shouldn’t have guns,” is nothing but one big shade of gray. Crazy/Sane is not a binary nor permanent positions. There are certain people who shouldn’t have guns. Certain people who shouldn’t have alcohol. Certain people who shouldn’t have children, etc etc.

Proponents for gun control believe they are preventing violence by stopping someone from getting a gun who would do illegal violence with it. I think that’s short sighted. I think by the time someone is trying to buy a gun with the intention of committing crime with it, that ship has already sailed. Go back further. We need to figure out what makes people WILLING to commit these acts of violence and address those issues. The events in Boston have proven beyond doubt, that someone who wants to hurt someone will find a way. Guns are not the issue because weapons have been an integral part of the human experience since we came out of the trees. Weapons just… are. Any attempt to disarm people is not an attempt to do away with weapons, as the disarming force is certainly not going to give theirs up, it is attempt to concentrate deadly force in the hands of the ruling elite and their minions (generally police and military). In many ways, it is an attempt to make you livestock.

Crazy people shouldn’t have guns. Instead of fighting a losing effort to keep them from getting a gun, which is only 1 of a trillion ways to hurt someone (albeit, the most popular) lets address why they're crazy in the first place.

[Bob33]

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[BOWHUNTER45]

jeeeez Bob ...I wonder where it went wrong ? 

[huntnphool]

.  I don't personally have an answer. Maybe if people were a little more open minded we could somehow find a compromise.

There might not be one. Even something as seemingly obvious as “crazy people shouldn’t have guns,” is nothing but one big shade of gray. Crazy/Sane is not a binary nor permanent positions. There are certain people who shouldn’t have guns. Certain people who shouldn’t have alcohol. Certain people who shouldn’t have children, etc etc.

Proponents for gun control believe they are preventing violence by stopping someone from getting a gun who would do illegal violence with it. I think that’s short sighted. I think by the time someone is trying to buy a gun with the intention of committing crime with it, that ship has already sailed. Go back further. We need to figure out what makes people WILLING to commit these acts of violence and address those issues. The events in Boston have proven beyond doubt, that someone who wants to hurt someone will find a way. Guns are not the issue because weapons have been an integral part of the human experience since we came out of the trees. Weapons just… are. Any attempt to disarm people is not an attempt to do away with weapons, as the disarming force is certainly not going to give theirs up, it is attempt to concentrate deadly force in the hands of the ruling elite and their minions (generally police and military). In many ways, it is an attempt to make you livestock.

Crazy people shouldn’t have guns. Instead of fighting a losing effort to keep them from getting a gun, which is only 1 of a trillion ways to hurt someone (albeit, the most popular) lets address why they're crazy in the first place.

I can't believe I'm going to say this but...........I actually agree with Mags.