Mystery calf killing up Twisp, Wa

[h2ofowlr]

I think the Dept. is now being trained on how defuse situations and how to present information in a P.C. method.  Make no judgment calls and limit liability and do damage control in terms potential wolf kills.  They know the hunters don't like them, but have had limited voice on these matters.  The wolf lovers, Conservation NW and others have learned how to make lots of noise and silence the dept while they push their agenda.
Time and time again wolf lovers have shown that they only want nature to take it's course without human interaction.  They don't think humans should be harming any animals and there for the wolves will balance everything out.  Unfortunately this will leave slim pickings for the number of hunters out there.
Tag soup will be a common theme down the road.

[bobcat]

Tag soup will be a common theme down the road.

True, for all but the wolf tags.   

[WAcoyotehunter]

6x6-

"If you want to continue to garner support, and for the record I do have the utmost respect for your efforts and I again thank you, just please provide the proof sir.  Providing proof will rally support.  Smearing the opposition with your words and without proof does not carry as much weight with the fence sitters as proof does."

I don't believe I have smeared anyone, I just stated the facts, and as far as the proof you should be able to see that today with wolves that have popped out all over WA.

The fence sitters, how do you think they could make a difference at this point? Who cares if they spend the rest of their lives pulling slivers? 

It was probably too late by the time WDFW were finally forced to confirm their lie of first wolf pack in 70 years in 2008.

For the reccord, at this point it really doesn't matter how anyone feels about wolves. The people who like the saying we have wolves and they are here to stay, don't realize that in the end we will have wolves and little else. As time goes on, many people will realize just how great the USFWS and WDFW wolves really are. WDFW will be the most disliked agencie in WA just like IDFG and other state game agencies who play the wolf game.

Wolfbait, you really haven't given many facts.  The fact is, the TRAINED personell examined the calf kill and did their best.  They are waiting for confirmation.  I suspect it will come back as a wolf.

Your ignorance is only overshadowed by your arrogance and "matter of fact" attitude.  Clearly, you have no interest in actually helping the situation.  You are a rabble rouser and a blowhard and that's what caused your hiatus a while back.

[pianoman9701]

I think the Dept. is now being trained on how defuse situations and how to present information in a P.C. method.  Make no judgment calls and limit liability and do damage control in terms potential wolf kills.  They know the hunters don't like them, but have had limited voice on these matters.  The wolf lovers, Conservation NW and others have learned how to make lots of noise and silence the dept while they push their agenda.
Time and time again wolf lovers have shown that they only want nature to take it's course without human interaction.  They don't think humans should be harming any animals and there for the wolves will balance everything out.  Unfortunately this will leave slim pickings for the number of hunters out there.
Tag soup will be a common theme down the road.

Especially since they have their own representation on the commission.

[wolfbait]

6x6-

"If you want to continue to garner support, and for the record I do have the utmost respect for your efforts and I again thank you, just please provide the proof sir.  Providing proof will rally support.  Smearing the opposition with your words and without proof does not carry as much weight with the fence sitters as proof does."

I don't believe I have smeared anyone, I just stated the facts, and as far as the proof you should be able to see that today with wolves that have popped out all over WA.

The fence sitters, how do you think they could make a difference at this point? Who cares if they spend the rest of their lives pulling slivers? 

It was probably too late by the time WDFW were finally forced to confirm their lie of first wolf pack in 70 years in 2008.

For the reccord, at this point it really doesn't matter how anyone feels about wolves. The people who like the saying we have wolves and they are here to stay, don't realize that in the end we will have wolves and little else. As time goes on, many people will realize just how great the USFWS and WDFW wolves really are. WDFW will be the most disliked agencie in WA just like IDFG and other state game agencies who play the wolf game.

Wolfbait, you really haven't given many facts.  The fact is, the TRAINED personell examined the calf kill and did their best.  They are waiting for confirmation.  I suspect it will come back as a wolf.

Your ignorance is only overshadowed by your arrogance and "matter of fact" attitude.  Clearly, you have no interest in actually helping the situation.  You are a rabble rouser and a blowhard and that's what caused your hiatus a while back.

Wycoyote if WDFW comes back that this latest calf was kill by a wolf it will be a shocker What has changed between now and last year when Thurlow saw the wolves that killed his calf? What has changed since The Golden Doe cow and calf killing? What went wrong with the investigators on the Wenatchee cow? How is the evidence so different?

The Golden Doe cow and calf was a slam dunk, yet the "investigators" refuse to confirm as a wolf kill. Hell the people staying at the house heard the wolves howling at two in the morning and saw the wolves that morning. And yet Scott Fitkin said by the time he got to it there was nothing left but a pile of maggots.

"Your ignorance is only overshadowed by your arrogance and "matter of fact" attitude.  Clearly, you have no interest in actually helping the situation."

There's going to be less facts slipping through WDFW's crack in the future.

Documentation WC, Documentation. Check out the Chronicle today    

[Northway]

6x6-

"If you want to continue to garner support, and for the record I do have the utmost respect for your efforts and I again thank you, just please provide the proof sir.  Providing proof will rally support.  Smearing the opposition with your words and without proof does not carry as much weight with the fence sitters as proof does."

I don't believe I have smeared anyone, I just stated the facts, and as far as the proof you should be able to see that today with wolves that have popped out all over WA.

The fence sitters, how do you think they could make a difference at this point? Who cares if they spend the rest of their lives pulling slivers? 

It was probably too late by the time WDFW were finally forced to confirm their lie of first wolf pack in 70 years in 2008.

For the reccord, at this point it really doesn't matter how anyone feels about wolves. The people who like the saying we have wolves and they are here to stay, don't realize that in the end we will have wolves and little else. As time goes on, many people will realize just how great the USFWS and WDFW wolves really are. WDFW will be the most disliked agencie in WA just like IDFG and other state game agencies who play the wolf game.

Wolfbait, you really haven't given many facts.  The fact is, the TRAINED personell examined the calf kill and did their best.  They are waiting for confirmation.  I suspect it will come back as a wolf.

Your ignorance is only overshadowed by your arrogance and "matter of fact" attitude.  Clearly, you have no interest in actually helping the situation.  You are a rabble rouser and a blowhard and that's what caused your hiatus a while back.

Wycoyote if WDFW comes back that this latest calf was kill by a wolf it will be a shocker What has changed between now and last year when Thurlow saw the wolves that killed his calf? What has changed since The Golden Doe cow and calf killing? What went wrong with the investigators on the Wenatchee cow? How is the evidence so different?

The Golden Doe cow and calf was a slam dunk, yet the "investigators" refuse to confirm as a wolf kill. Hell the people staying at the house heard the wolves howling at two in the morning and saw the wolves that morning. And yet Scott Fitkin said by the time he got to it there was nothing left but a pile of maggots.

"Your ignorance is only overshadowed by your arrogance and "matter of fact" attitude.  Clearly, you have no interest in actually helping the situation."

There's going to be less facts slipping through WDFW's crack in the future.

Documentation WC, Documentation. Check out the Chronicle today

Have you ever met Scott Fitkin, Wolfbait?

If so, when you met him, what did you think of him?

[wolfbait]

Northway, I have never met Fitkin and have no desire to be within a hundred yards of him, I have seen too much of his BS.

WDFW went with a coyote killed the calf, no surprise there. Just one more documented case of WDFW lying to the public. Ranchers have seen it is worthless to call WDFW regarding wolf kills on their livestock. SS-Shoot and shut up will probably be their wolf problem solver.

[villageidiot]

This rancher still has not got any phone call or any type notification from WDFW as the results of their investigation. He has heard rumors they are saying it was coyotes. If this is true then they are clearly ignoring all the incriminating evidence he presented to them.  The integrity of WDFW is typical. The ranchers that were watching this calf kill have decided the Montana ranchers advice is the only way to fix this problem since WDFW never even had the respect and dignitynto even call him back.   SSS

[wolfbait]

This rancher still has not got any phone call or any type notification from WDFW as the results of their investigation. He has heard rumors they are saying it was coyotes. If this is true then they are clearly ignoring all the incriminating evidence he presented to them.  The integrity of WDFW is typical. The ranchers that were watching this calf kill have decided the Montana ranchers advice is the only way to fix this problem since WDFW never even had the respect and dignitynto even call him back.   SSS

Well thats no surprise, WDFW are lookin mighty chitty on this last call, but no more chitty then the rest of their BS lies. People are just getting fed up with the "one maybe two" wolves story Fitkin likes to run with, that travel with his deer reports.

This last Tuseday a big black wolf was seen crossing the road at the Methow Valley Lumber in Twisp, and a local got a picturte of a wolf chasing cows in broad daylight just few miles from Twisp.

In 2008 WA had it's first wolf pack in "70 years" and now WA is flooded with wolves. I guess the wolves had a meeting one night and decided after living for 70 years in Alberta, and 17 in Idaho they needed a change and flipped a coin for WA.

Whats one more lie from WDF&Wolves!

[boneaddict]

Reported in another post.  I saw one yesterday on Red Top Mountain, sign everywhere.   Its not even notable anymore.  It was almost 90s and about 1 in the afternoon.   Who'd have guessed.

[wolfbait]

Reported in another post.  I saw one yesterday on Red Top Mountain, sign everywhere.   Its not even notable anymore.  It was almost 90s and about 1 in the afternoon.   Who'd have guessed.

Couple of days ago a guy and his wife saw six above the Bear Cr golf course, these wolves have been seen in the area since January and is public knowledge, and yet Fitkin still claims there are only one or two wolves left.  I wonder if WDFW know how stupid they look? Do they realize they have no credibility left.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Why can't anyone produce a photo of these wolves and push the issue?  If they are hiding behind every tree over there, why no pics?

Get some pictures and push the issue. 

[turkeyfeather]

Why can't anyone produce a photo of these wolves and push the issue?  If they are hiding behind every tree over there, why no pics?

Get some pictures and push the issue. 

What good are pics gonna do? WDFW will just twist it and lie anyways. That's what goes on with the sightings and pics that have been shown.

[villageidiot]

Twisp rancher never did get a call or letter identifying what killed his calf.  He now has several trail camera pictures of wolves coming back to the place the calf was killed.  WDFW informed the newspaper they think it was coyotes that ate 40 lbs. of the calf while  the mother cow stood by and watched.  The rancher has given up on notifying WDFW since he gave them all the photos of wolves, tracks and wolf scat within 10 feet of the killed calf.  With no compensation for a calf killed and not even a response from the investigation of the killed calf then it appears the ranchers are forced to take the other options. 

[villageidiot]

One might notice the totally messed up times, dates, etc. on the trail cam pic.   He said his trail cam is all fouled up on the dates and has no idea how to reset them.  One can clearly see the time of day is wrong for sure because the pic was taken in the dark and it shows 4 pm.  This cow trail is 200 yds from the calf kill.