Mystery calf killing up Twisp, Wa

[AspenBud]

Thanks for the follow up VI.  I was curious in a way because it seems like there have been quite a few wolf kills in that area in recent news...kind of like ranchers lose a few critters here and there over time, but recently it seems like something is taking more than a few.  In the past, didn't hear about as many animals being lost.   Also, since he's lost critters to other predators he probably has a good idea what each of the other predators' kills look like.

In the past there was more prey for wolves,

In the past there weren't as many wolves either.

Does anyone know if WDFW has done any real research on ungulate numbers other than basing herd health on hunting harvest numbers? For that matter, do they have a target number for each species and if so, how are they verifying that number is holding?

[lucky33]

This was clearly the work of introduced Yetis' from Tibet.   

[boneaddict]

Thanks for the follow up VI.  I was curious in a way because it seems like there have been quite a few wolf kills in that area in recent news...kind of like ranchers lose a few critters here and there over time, but recently it seems like something is taking more than a few.  In the past, didn't hear about as many animals being lost.   Also, since he's lost critters to other predators he probably has a good idea what each of the other predators' kills look like.

Most ranchers have a dang good idea/perception of why an animal dies or is killed.   They deal with life and death and the line between everyday.   One of the main reasons I scoff at the bios coming in a week later and saying.....blah blah blah, especially when the wolf is filmed before AND after at the same spot.   Its like holding a smoking gun so to speak.

[villageidiot]

Many ranchers are following this calf killing.  County Commissioner Ray Campbell has spread the pictures and story to all the cattlemen.  They are watching the outcome and deciding whether it is worth reporting calf kills or just solving the problem themselves.  This will actually slow the recovery of wolves if this calf is determined to be unknown causes or anything other than a wolf.  You couldn't beat the fast response on this kill by the rancher and all his documentation of wolves in the area prior to the calf kill.  To determine this was a wolf kill will actually hasten the wolf recovery.

[WAcoyotehunter]

It doesn't sound like the bios/sheriff were trying to deny it was a wolf.  It sounds like they want to be certain before they make "confirmation"...which makes sense, right?

[wolfbait]

It doesn't sound like the bios/sheriff were trying to deny it was a wolf.  It sounds like they want to be certain before they make "confirmation"...which makes sense, right?

The deputies haven't been trained yet in wolf kills and one of the bios has been proven to be incompetent in wolf killed livestock, either that or he is a liar?

[teanawayslayer]

It doesn't sound like the bios/sheriff were trying to deny it was a wolf.  It sounds like they want to be certain before they make "confirmation"...which makes sense, right?

The deputies haven't been trained yet in wolf kills and one of the bios has been proven to be incompetent in wolf killed livestock, either that or he is a liar?

I think incompetent and a liar fits perfect

[WAcoyotehunter]

Is that so?  Proven as incompetent by whom?  You?  The "resident wolf expert"... Give me a break.

Where in the article did they deny that it was a wolf kill?  Why is the concept of CONFIRMATION so difficult to understand? 

[wolfbait]

Is that so?  Proven as incompetent by whom?  You?  The "resident wolf expert"... Give me a break.

Where in the article did they deny that it was a wolf kill?  Why is the concept of CONFIRMATION so difficult to understand?

Great come-back there swifty- See now lets go with incompetent first, Scott Fitkin see's cow with ass ate off and no calf and signs of cow/wolf struggle. That would be the first clue, and no calf would be the second clue.

Did you ask Scott about the wolf pictures he pulled off the trail cam? I bet he wishs he would have left the card blank now, as it proved he lied about what was left of the cow.

Then we can go with how well the deer are doing in the Methow according to Scott, another joke.

"Where in the article did they deny that it was a wolf kill?  Why is the concept of CONFIRMATION so difficult to understand?" Is that your WDFW mouth wash WAcoyote? What is not confirmed

 Where did the WDFW or USFWS tell the truth about the cow and calf?

How long can you cover up a lie? Maybe add more deer, elk habitat? Like wildlife corridoors?
Are you working for WDFW WAcoyote?

[6x6in6]

Is that so?  Proven as incompetent by whom?  You?  The "resident wolf expert"... Give me a break.

Where in the article did they deny that it was a wolf kill?  Why is the concept of CONFIRMATION so difficult to understand?

Great come-back there swifty- See now lets go with incompetent first, Scott Fitkin see's cow with ass ate off and no calf and signs of cow/wolf struggle. That would be the first clue, and no calf would be the second clue.

Did you ask Scott about the wolf pictures he pulled off the trail cam? I bet he wishs he would have left the card blank now, as it proved he lied about what was left of the cow.

Then we can go with how well the deer are doing in the Methow according to Scott, another joke.

"Where in the article did they deny that it was a wolf kill?  Why is the concept of CONFIRMATION so difficult to understand?" Is that your WDFW mouth wash WAcoyote? What is not confirmed

 Where did the WDFW or USFWS tell the truth about the cow and calf?

How long can you cover up a lie? Maybe add more deer, elk habitat? Like wildlife corridoors?
Are you working for WDFW WAcoyote?

Is Fitkin the "incompetent" one who is performing the investigation, doing the necropsy, working with the lab for results and will make the confirmation of cause of death?

The rest of what you had to say is about past incidents, your personal opinions and just general piling on which has nothing relevant to confirming the cause of death in this instance.

I do respect what you have to say through your first hand experiences wolfbait.  I do respect your efforts in the fight against wolves.  Thank You!!!
But, to make unfounded accusations over and over again makes this wolfbait supporter question your integrity.  If your going to discredit someone/something, you better have some solid proof backed up with an army of well educated team of experts.
Want another example?
How many times have you stated publicly here on HuntWa that the WDFW has transplanted/released wolves?  Quite a few times, correct?
How many times have you been asked publicly on HuntWa to prove said releases/transplants have occurred via pictures or a written statement from the WDFW that they have occurred?  Quite a few, correct?  Yet you provide nothing, nada, zip, correct?
It's unfounded accusations wolfbait.  Concentrate on the effort at hand and quit making up stories to attempt to substaniate your personal beliefs.

[wolfbait]

"Is Fitkin the "incompetent" one who is performing the investigation, doing the necropsy, working with the lab for results and will make the confirmation of cause of death?"

 
Have you ever been in the woods 6x6in6 on a fresh kill, not your own but from another animal? If so did you call WDFW and ask them to skin it for you then run it to the lab, to see what killed it? Or were you able at all to tell the story written on the ground?  Or did you call WDFW and have them run it through Olympia?

What the hell happened to common sense? Geeze 6x6 I thought you were smarter than that.

[wolfbait]

Is that so?  Proven as incompetent by whom?  You?  The "resident wolf expert"... Give me a break.

Where in the article did they deny that it was a wolf kill?  Why is the concept of CONFIRMATION so difficult to understand?

Great come-back there swifty- See now lets go with incompetent first, Scott Fitkin see's cow with ass ate off and no calf and signs of cow/wolf struggle. That would be the first clue, and no calf would be the second clue.

Did you ask Scott about the wolf pictures he pulled off the trail cam? I bet he wishs he would have left the card blank now, as it proved he lied about what was left of the cow.

Then we can go with how well the deer are doing in the Methow according to Scott, another joke.

"Where in the article did they deny that it was a wolf kill?  Why is the concept of CONFIRMATION so difficult to understand?" Is that your WDFW mouth wash WAcoyote? What is not confirmed

 Where did the WDFW or USFWS tell the truth about the cow and calf?

How long can you cover up a lie? Maybe add more deer, elk habitat? Like wildlife corridoors?
Are you working for WDFW WAcoyote?

Is Fitkin the "incompetent" one who is performing the investigation, doing the necropsy, working with the lab for results and will make the confirmation of cause of death?

The rest of what you had to say is about past incidents, your personal opinions and just general piling on which has nothing relevant to confirming the cause of death in this instance.

I do respect what you have to say through your first hand experiences wolfbait.  I do respect your efforts in the fight against wolves.  Thank You!!!
But, to make unfounded accusations over and over again makes this wolfbait supporter question your integrity.  If your going to discredit someone/something, you better have some solid proof backed up with an army of well educated team of experts.
Want another example?
How many times have you stated publicly here on HuntWa that the WDFW has transplanted/released wolves?  Quite a few times, correct?
How many times have you been asked publicly on HuntWa to prove said releases/transplants have occurred via pictures or a written statement from the WDFW that they have occurred?  Quite a few, correct?  Yet you provide nothing, nada, zip, correct?
It's unfounded accusations wolfbait.  Concentrate on the effort at hand and quit making up stories to attempt to substaniate your personal beliefs.

"It's unfounded accusations wolfbait.  Concentrate on the effort at hand and quit making up stories to attempt to substaniate your personal beliefs."

Everything I have said is true, I know it for fact, and in the end you will see it also. That won't matter anymore because #1 you will not be hunting and #2 you will be on to your next bitch about what should or shouldn't  have happen.

[6x6in6]

Is that so?  Proven as incompetent by whom?  You?  The "resident wolf expert"... Give me a break.

Where in the article did they deny that it was a wolf kill?  Why is the concept of CONFIRMATION so difficult to understand?

Great come-back there swifty- See now lets go with incompetent first, Scott Fitkin see's cow with ass ate off and no calf and signs of cow/wolf struggle. That would be the first clue, and no calf would be the second clue.

Did you ask Scott about the wolf pictures he pulled off the trail cam? I bet he wishs he would have left the card blank now, as it proved he lied about what was left of the cow.

Then we can go with how well the deer are doing in the Methow according to Scott, another joke.

"Where in the article did they deny that it was a wolf kill?  Why is the concept of CONFIRMATION so difficult to understand?" Is that your WDFW mouth wash WAcoyote? What is not confirmed

 Where did the WDFW or USFWS tell the truth about the cow and calf?

How long can you cover up a lie? Maybe add more deer, elk habitat? Like wildlife corridoors?
Are you working for WDFW WAcoyote?

Is Fitkin the "incompetent" one who is performing the investigation, doing the necropsy, working with the lab for results and will make the confirmation of cause of death?

The rest of what you had to say is about past incidents, your personal opinions and just general piling on which has nothing relevant to confirming the cause of death in this instance.

I do respect what you have to say through your first hand experiences wolfbait.  I do respect your efforts in the fight against wolves.  Thank You!!!
But, to make unfounded accusations over and over again makes this wolfbait supporter question your integrity.  If your going to discredit someone/something, you better have some solid proof backed up with an army of well educated team of experts.
Want another example?
How many times have you stated publicly here on HuntWa that the WDFW has transplanted/released wolves?  Quite a few times, correct?
How many times have you been asked publicly on HuntWa to prove said releases/transplants have occurred via pictures or a written statement from the WDFW that they have occurred?  Quite a few, correct?  Yet you provide nothing, nada, zip, correct?
It's unfounded accusations wolfbait.  Concentrate on the effort at hand and quit making up stories to attempt to substaniate your personal beliefs.

"It's unfounded accusations wolfbait.  Concentrate on the effort at hand and quit making up stories to attempt to substaniate your personal beliefs."

Everything I have said is true, I know it for fact, and in the end you will see it also. That won't matter anymore because #1 you will not be hunting and #2 you will be on to your next bitch about what should or shouldn't  have happen.

If you know it's true and to be fact, prove it.  Why do we all need to wait to the end to see it if you know it's true and fact?
#1 - I'll hunt wolves.  OK, that's not intended to be funny...
#2 - Where did I say my next bitch session should or shouldn't have happened?  Don't attempt to put words in my mouth, it's a waste of your typing efforts.

If you want to continue to garner support, and for the record I do have the utmost respect for your efforts and I again thank you, just please provide the proof sir.  Providing proof will rally support.  Smearing the opposition with your words and without proof does not carry as much weight with the fence sitters as proof does.

[teanawayslayer]

Back in 2008 fitken was given game camera pictures of wolves in the lookout area.  He said that it wasn't a wolf and that we don't have wolves in this area.  Was given hair samples from a barbed wire fence and still denied it being wolves. Hmmmm

[wolfbait]

6x6-

"If you want to continue to garner support, and for the record I do have the utmost respect for your efforts and I again thank you, just please provide the proof sir.  Providing proof will rally support.  Smearing the opposition with your words and without proof does not carry as much weight with the fence sitters as proof does."

I don't believe I have smeared anyone, I just stated the facts, and as far as the proof you should be able to see that today with wolves that have popped out all over WA.

The fence sitters, how do you think they could make a difference at this point? Who cares if they spend the rest of their lives pulling slivers? 

It was probably too late by the time WDFW were finally forced to confirm their lie of first wolf pack in 70 years in 2008.

For the reccord, at this point it really doesn't matter how anyone feels about wolves. The people who like the saying we have wolves and they are here to stay, don't realize that in the end we will have wolves and little else. As time goes on, many people will realize just how great the USFWS and WDFW wolves really are. WDFW will be the most disliked agencie in WA just like IDFG and other state game agencies who play the wolf game.