if your lookin for a great pack go to the army surplus store and get the large alice pack, it has an alliminum frame that the pack fits over, you can put more weight than you can carry in it and it distibutes it perfect, the ARMY has been using them from the days of vietnam, they have tried going to differant rucks, i know when i was in we demo'd 2 differant styles and we always went back to the alice pack. delta, sf and the seal teams still use the alice pack as well. oh and did i say you can get this whole set up for under 100 dollars

if your interested i can meet up with you and go to tillicum so i can show you the right pack. i can honestly say i never get tired of going to the army surplus store.....