Quality and Antlerless

[RadSav]

I'm afraid if the WDFW does something more in an attempt to "fix" the system, they will make it even worse. Just like they did in 2010.

Amen to that!

I think I agree with that.  A few years ago I got drawn for my first ever WDFW permit tag in 20 years - An archery Toutle cow!!!   Then I go and shoot a nice bull in the general tag area second day of the season.  Was absolutely thrilled to actually draw something in this state!  But, I could not have been happier to waste my antlerless points on a bull.  I generally only put in for a single unit so if I get another cow tag some day and a bull tag in the same year I'm still sitting pretty sweet

Only thing I might want to see change in the rules is the maximum number in a group for deer and elk.  I say cut it in half at least and let the tags spread out a little bit.  Eight people in a single group    I'm surprised how many big groups I see getting drawn each year while I'm crying and thowing my annual tempertantrum.

[Antlershed]

These people had obviously accumulated that many points by applying for the best bull permits available.

Not necessarily. I had 13 points when they made the split and at least half of them were gained by just applying for ghost points the years I couldn't hunt. Last year i couldn't even draw Margaret archery with 15 points. I did take advantage of the split and used 13 points on a cow tag, but I don't think it was a good change they made in 2010.

[elkoholicmike]

A better question. Has anybody here ever drawn anything in the state of Washington. The subject draws out the giggles in my house. Good luck one and all anyway.

[Bullkllr]

I think it happens often. With how they draw its one flaw. If your wild Id gets picked with a low number I think you have a good chance at drawing multiple tags. I don't put in for the same animal because I don't want to waist my points. It's messed up when someone draws quality elk and bull the same year and waists the bull tag that someone could have used. You will see it on here after the draw.

The "flaw" was when they rolled points into all categories when this draw system began.
Guys that got 10 points per category were given a serious windfall bonus (and huge long-term advantage in drawing any permits). That's why it takes 5-10 points to draw a cow tag now, wheras before you could get one every couple years if you wanted one.

Payment for that gift is being smart about which hunts/categories you put in for.

[rtspring]

I would agree on lowering the Cow tag groups to max of 4 per group!

[Curly]

I'm afraid if the WDFW does something more in an attempt to "fix" the system, they will make it even worse. Just like they did in 2010.

Amen to that!

 

[Curly]

I think it happens often. With how they draw its one flaw. If your wild Id gets picked with a low number I think you have a good chance at drawing multiple tags. I don't put in for the same animal because I don't want to waist my points. It's messed up when someone draws quality elk and bull the same year and waists the bull tag that someone could have used. You will see it on here after the draw.

The "flaw" was when they rolled points into all categories when this draw system began.
Guys that got 10 points per category were given a serious windfall bonus (and huge long-term advantage in drawing any permits). That's why it takes 5-10 points to draw a cow tag now, wheras before you could get one every couple years if you wanted one.

Payment for that gift is being smart about which hunts/categories you put in for.

[bobcat]

These people had obviously accumulated that many points by applying for the best bull permits available.

Not necessarily. I had 13 points when they made the split and at least half of them were gained by just applying for ghost points the years I couldn't hunt. Last year i couldn't even draw Margaret archery with 15 points. I did take advantage of the split and used 13 points on a cow tag, but I don't think it was a good change they made in 2010.

Well the point is you didn't get all the points by applying for cow tags. Yet they awarded you 13 points in the antlerless elk category just because it was the easiest way for them to do it.

[ghosthunter]

One of my buddies got antherless deer, disabled and over 65. He filled one, eat the other.

[Bwana Bob]

Why not pick 10 alternates each for the deer and elk permits and let the hunter that drew two tags turn one in. Then hold a random draw for those tags and some lucky alternate hunter will have a tag. Makes sense to me. I drew an alternate tag for sheep once. I almost pissed my pants when I got that letter from the game dept.

[Roperfive88]

I'm afraid if the WDFW does something more in an attempt to "fix" the system, they will make it even worse. Just like they did in 2010.

Amen to that!

I think I agree with that.  A few years ago I got drawn for my first ever WDFW permit tag in 20 years - An archery Toutle cow!!!   Then I go and shoot a nice bull in the general tag area second day of the season.  Was absolutely thrilled to actually draw something in this state!  But, I could not have been happier to waste my antlerless points on a bull.  I generally only put in for a single unit so if I get another cow tag some day and a bull tag in the same year I'm still sitting pretty sweet

Only thing I might want to see change in the rules is the maximum number in a group for deer and elk.  I say cut it in half at least and let the tags spread out a little bit.  Eight people in a single group    I'm surprised how many big groups I see getting drawn each year while I'm crying and thowing my annual tempertantrum.

 The bigger groups is usually a disadvantage to the group because is lowers the number of tags they can draw. As anyone heard of a big group drawinq really good tags. If you put in with 8 people for a quality tag that has only nine tags they can only draw on the first two so I am guessing that this happens very little. I think that big groups actually help the single hunters odds when you look strictly at the numbers. The biggest group that I have seen where I hunt has been three. So if a bunch of people go in on one entry I say let them.

[TommyGun496]

A better question. Has anybody here ever drawn anything in the state of Washington. The subject draws out the giggles in my house. Good luck one and all anyway.

Drew a toutle bull tag last year with two points...does that count?

[sakoshooter]

Is there anybody on here who has drawn for both antlerless and quality in the same year?  Just wondering how often that might happen.  Anybody have the same fear of drawing two permits and losing all your points for a category??

A buddy of mine's hunting partner drew both last year. Cow tag and Any Bull tag. What a waste.

[mossyoak arrow slinger]

I drew quality bull and antlerless in the toutle two three years ago. It was nice being able to shoot any elk that stepped in front of me

So what did you end up shooting?

Sorry i just saw this. I ended up shooting a cow!  I had a chance at a real nice bull the day Weyerhauser decided to close the woods. Got on him in the morning finally got a shot and choked. He was quartering away from me between two trees I thought I had a window and was sadly wrong. That after noon we got back to our truck and Weyerhauser land was closed