The elk do come down and eat the farmers hay, etc, and do some real damage to his property and I do belive the hunt takes place in late dec., almost at x-mas time. What turned me off is the farmer does have a two way gate, that he closes, until all of the elk that are on the property for that hunt have been killed. So basically you have elk running around a field and guys shooting at stations until they are all gone. I met the guy at his house, signed the permision slip and was all ready to go, even got my number called....but at the last minute, just couldn't do it...something didnt seem right ( not the farmer...but more inside me). Think the farmer is doing what he can to stop the damage.