I hate wolves. JUST hate them

[20 Minutes]

It is common knowledge that enviro whacko's like to masquerade as hunters to discredit and persuade hunting conversations. 

I wonder if acnewman55 even knows the name of the hunter in his/her profile photo.   

I know it's scary when people disagree with you. 

One thing I noticed immediately about this site; they ban you if you don't agree with the majority. IMO- it takes away from the creditability of the site. I always thought chat room sites were for everyone to share their opinions etc. The best chat rooms allow folks to disagree. Just because someone is for or aganist wolves, does not make them a tree hugger, wolf loving troll, etc. I happen to want ALL wolves wiped out, but I respect anyones opinion if they support wolves.

[20 Minutes]

I was more referring to your environmental views and apparent disgust for man. I'm sure the world would be better off if the government just started 'acquiring' millions of acres of undeveloped land and deemed it 'protected.'

You continue to make all sorts of assumptions about my beliefs and environmental views based on my opinion on wolves.  I'm all for more protected wilderness.  I can't see why any hunter would be against that, as long as costs to the taxpayer aren't out of proportion.  I can think of many worse things we spend our tax dollars on.

Wolves COST the government (state and federal) millions to manage and provide detriment in return.

Mostly because the government has done a *censored* poor job of managing them.  Didn't we just spend some $70,000+ to shoot a couple wolves from a helicopter last year because they killed cattle grazing on public land?  I seem to remember something like that.  Seems to me that one of the wolf haters on this forum would have done it for free.  You going to blame poor government management on an animal too?

What's next?  Wolves don't serve in the army?  They don't pay their taxes?  They aren't members of the NRA?  THEY DON"T GO TO CHURCH!?!?!

What you also fail to understand is that hunting and trapping alone will never come close to managing wolf populations. Killing them from planes and choppers or poisoning them is really the only way to effectively get it done (along with hunting and trapping of course). You have about a zero chance of walking out into the backcountry of MT, WY or ID and killing a wolf. The odds of success are like winning the lottery because wolves are smart. I have buddies in ID that have hunted them for 10 days straight and they knew where they were too, but couldn't get it done.

Didn't the recent 10 day season in MN result in 110 wolves down?  Think I read that on the previous thread.  Never heard of 110 people winning the lottery in 10 days. 

You are either being naive or you are just ignorant. Lets look at the west here where the land and accessibility dynamic is FAR different. Look at the number of tags in ID and MT that were issued last year and then look at the harvest, then get back with me.


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Why don't you post the number of tags in ID and MT vs the harvest and enlighten all of us, instead of continuing with the soap-box conjecture?

If it's your argument, make it yourself. 

43,000 wolf tags were sold in ID in 2012 and 375 wolves were killed or trapped. That's less than 1% success rate (since doing the math might not mean me making the argument myself). Trapping success was much better than traditional hunting too, so the numbers are further skewed.

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/04/03/rockybarker/idaho_hunters_and_trappers_kill_375_wolves


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That doesn't bode well for the argument that they are a threat to humans. If hunters, people who actively try to conceal themselves so they can shoot wolves, have that hard a time finding them...

Always a silver lining for a liberal.


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Not really, it was Obama who signed the document that delisted them.   

Obama had no idea, it was a rider. It was probably on page 1699 in the footnotes.

or on the TELEPROMPTER!!! LMFAO


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[KenPCPilot]

go to the notheastern part of washington for yourself for all those doubters.  I is not to hard to see or see all their crap with deer hair.  For me seeing it all in person sealed the deal.  and yes I am a hater.  beautiful animals they just don't need reintroduction to maintain their numbers

[Elkaholic daWg]

I was more referring to your environmental views and apparent disgust for man. I'm sure the world would be better off if the government just started 'acquiring' millions of acres of undeveloped land and deemed it 'protected.'

You continue to make all sorts of assumptions about my beliefs and environmental views based on my opinion on wolves.  I'm all for more protected wilderness.  I can't see why any hunter would be against that, as long as costs to the taxpayer aren't out of proportion.  I can think of many worse things we spend our tax dollars on.

Wolves COST the government (state and federal) millions to manage and provide detriment in return.

Mostly because the government has done a *censored* poor job of managing them.  Didn't we just spend some $70,000+ to shoot a couple wolves from a helicopter last year because they killed cattle grazing on public land?  I seem to remember something like that.  Seems to me that one of the wolf haters on this forum would have done it for free.  You going to blame poor government management on an animal too?

What's next?  Wolves don't serve in the army?  They don't pay their taxes?  They aren't members of the NRA?  THEY DON"T GO TO CHURCH!?!?!

   You will notice that they killed the collared one......I wonder why?


 Notice the  puke.........

[pianoman9701]

It is common knowledge that enviro whacko's like to masquerade as hunters to discredit and persuade hunting conversations. 

I wonder if acnewman55 even knows the name of the hunter in his/her profile photo.   

I know it's scary when people disagree with you. 

One thing I noticed immediately about this site; they ban you if you don't agree with the majority. IMO- it takes away from the creditability of the site. I always thought chat room sites were for everyone to share their opinions etc. The best chat rooms allow folks to disagree. Just because someone is for or aganist wolves, does not make them a tree hugger, wolf loving troll, etc. I happen to want ALL wolves wiped out, but I respect anyones opinion if they support wolves.

This is a hunting site. I know of no one who's been banned just for stating an opinion. I've seen some banned for making threats, continued obscenities, and for harassing other members. I understand that your lengthy tenure here of 32 posts is enough to make a judgment about the entire forum and how much it sucks. Feel free to log out anytime you like.

As I mentioned this is a hunting site. The repopulation of wolves into WA creates a whole new variable with regard to our ungulate resources. Many of us, based on our experience of the plans adopted by the states of MT, WY, and ID fear for the future of our passion. So, the wolf issue is about as contentious as they come for hunters who've dedicated a good part of their lives studying, improving habitat for, and hunting elk, deer, and moose. If you don't have the skin for it, don't participate in the discussion.

Had you been heavily involved in this site over the last month, you would perhaps seen what I've seen; that HuntWA is a forum filled with remarkable people who are knowledgeable, supportive, and unbelievably generous. In no other forum have I ever witnessed the depth of caring and integrity when the chips are down as I have here.

[20 Minutes]

It is common knowledge that enviro whacko's like to masquerade as hunters to discredit and persuade hunting conversations. 

I wonder if acnewman55 even knows the name of the hunter in his/her profile photo.   

I know it's scary when people disagree with you. 

One thing I noticed immediately about this site; they ban you if you don't agree with the majority. IMO- it takes away from the creditability of the site. I always thought chat room sites were for everyone to share their opinions etc. The best chat rooms allow folks to disagree. Just because someone is for or aganist wolves, does not make them a tree hugger, wolf loving troll, etc. I happen to want ALL wolves wiped out, but I respect anyones opinion if they support wolves.

This is a hunting site. I know of no one who's been banned just for stating an opinion. I've seen some banned for making threats, continued obscenities, and for harassing other members. I understand that your lengthy tenure here of 32 posts is enough to make a judgment about the entire forum and how much it sucks. Feel free to log out anytime you like.

As I mentioned this is a hunting site. The repopulation of wolves into WA creates a whole new variable with regard to our ungulate resources. Many of us, based on our experience of the plans adopted by the states of MT, WY, and ID fear for the future of our passion. So, the wolf issue is about as contentious as they come for hunters who've dedicated a good part of their lives studying, improving habitat for, and hunting elk, deer, and moose. If you don't have the skin for it, don't participate in the discussion.

Had you been heavily involved in this site over the last month, you would perhaps seen what I've seen; that HuntWA is a forum filled with remarkable people who are knowledgeable, supportive, and unbelievably generous. In no other forum have I ever witnessed the depth of caring and integrity when the chips are down as I have here.

I have actually been reading this site since 2008; so I have plenty of Hunt-Wa expereince. I recently joined, because I DO see the value and I thought I would give it a shot. I certainately did not say this site was crap. If I thought that, then what the hell would I be doing on here wasting my time  .

Go in to the Wolf Topic and read some member comments over the years. Those who disagree, pro-wolf, or argue have been banned. The most recent member I can think of was SKYWALKER. He agreed with the forum, and was offering suggestions to be better heard; and banned. Yes, he was being a little antagonistic. But the majority of his posts where tonge and cheak humor. Other members on here have said the same. I have read far worse over the years between members, and they were not banned. Lighten up a little and let members say what they want.

[boneaddict]

Great post pianoman!


I saw one yesterday.  Hiking up on Red top mountain.   I took the day off.  I wanted to think clearly.   I wanted a couple hours for myself and then time with my family.   Wolf tracks and *censored* everywhere.  Hardly worth noting these days.   I was walking down the snow filled road with a backpack load of rocks, looked up and there he stood broadside in the road.   Not even worth a post on here anymore.   They seem to be everywhere.   Not a single elk, only two deer and they were as spooky as spooky gets.   Good thing I like rocks, because as far as I know, wolves don't eat those.

I wasn't packing a camera or a gun.   The latter might have to be as important as TP one of these days. 

[turkeyfeather]

I wasn't packing a camera or a gun.   The latter might have to be as important as TP one of these days. 

These days I think its probably more important than the TP bone. You can always tear the sleeves off your shirt in a pinch. 

[boneaddict]

When I first saw tracks I thought, hmmmmmm this is nice, guess I am glad I have my rock pick/ax.    Then I hit the top and looked right into Mt Stuart on the clearest day ever, and thought DANG where is my camera, then there was an ant swarm and the glacier lillys and the butterflies, and sure as Blank___________ a wolf.    YEP, still hate em!

[turkeyfeather]

Yep, can't think of one benefit.

[20 Minutes]

It is common knowledge that enviro whacko's like to masquerade as hunters to discredit and persuade hunting conversations. 

I wonder if acnewman55 even knows the name of the hunter in his/her profile photo.   

I know it's scary when people disagree with you. 

And 2/3 of your post was not even relevant to what I was talking about. Typical know it all, long winded Hunt Wa member. Shorten it up Pianoboy.

One thing I noticed immediately about this site; they ban you if you don't agree with the majority. IMO- it takes away from the creditability of the site. I always thought chat room sites were for everyone to share their opinions etc. The best chat rooms allow folks to disagree. Just because someone is for or aganist wolves, does not make them a tree hugger, wolf loving troll, etc. I happen to want ALL wolves wiped out, but I respect anyones opinion if they support wolves.

This is a hunting site. I know of no one who's been banned just for stating an opinion. I've seen some banned for making threats, continued obscenities, and for harassing other members. I understand that your lengthy tenure here of 32 posts is enough to make a judgment about the entire forum and how much it sucks. Feel free to log out anytime you like.

As I mentioned this is a hunting site. The repopulation of wolves into WA creates a whole new variable with regard to our ungulate resources. Many of us, based on our experience of the plans adopted by the states of MT, WY, and ID fear for the future of our passion. So, the wolf issue is about as contentious as they come for hunters who've dedicated a good part of their lives studying, improving habitat for, and hunting elk, deer, and moose. If you don't have the skin for it, don't participate in the discussion.

Had you been heavily involved in this site over the last month, you would perhaps seen what I've seen; that HuntWA is a forum filled with remarkable people who are knowledgeable, supportive, and unbelievably generous. In no other forum have I ever witnessed the depth of caring and integrity when the chips are down as I have here.

[wolfbait]

The environmentalists, USFWS and state game agencies have allowed the wolves to become the most hated animal in the rural lower 48 by introducing them and then protecting them above all else.

For those of you who don't hate wolves yet, I would have to say you haven't suffered any personal losses from wolves. I wonder how you would feel if you had to spend countless hours trying to protect your livestock, and then have the wolves sneak in and kill a few, just to have the USFWS or state game agencies deny it was wolves time after time. Or have them lie and tell you there aren't any wolves in your area and if there were wolves they wouldn't kill your cows?

I wonder how you would feel if you could no longer use dogs to move your cows? Or let your dog/dogs sleep on the porch? How would you feel if your kids couldn't go for hikes out of sight of the house, or sleep in the backyard anymore? How would you like these wolves chitting in your yard knowing what EG is?

You say you don't hate wolves, do you like thieves also? The wolves are thieves protected by the feds and WDFW. How would you like having to stand guard over your home 24/7 so that thieves wouldn't break in and steal your things? And when they did get caught how would you like it if the cops said it wasn't thieves, or when they caught the thieves they turned them loose, to see if they would steal from you again and again. My guess is that pretty soon you would learn to hate thieves. How would you feel about the people who allowed this to happen to you time and time again and then ran to the newspaper and lied their azz off.

In 2004 when we started seeing wolves on a regular bases, I thought it was kind of cool, I knew nothing about these new wolves or the wolf introduction. Nine years later I have the lowest opinion of wolves and those who introduce them and then protect them with lies.

I don't think hate is the proper word, as it goes much deeper.


Same wolf game just a different state

[Wenatcheejay]

I don't hate wolves any more than inanimate objects like guns, cars, or booze. Wolves are being used as both a political wedge between Urban and Rural societies, and a money making scheme through lawsuits for special interests. Wolves are being misused by USDFW and WDFW as well. If wolves threaten a farm, a person, ect. they should be eliminated. It is the people who have created this disaster, lawsuits, wasted public funds, they are where the blame is, wolfbait's last picture is an example of exactly what wolves do.

[slim9300]

The environmentalists, USFWS and state game agencies have allowed the wolves to become the most hated animal in the rural lower 48 by introducing them and then protecting them above all else.

For those of you who don't hate wolves yet, I would have to say you haven't suffered any personal losses from wolves. I wonder how you would feel if you had to spend countless hours trying to protect your livestock, and then have the wolves sneak in and kill a few, just to have the USFWS or state game agencies deny it was wolves time after time. Or have them lie and tell you there aren't any wolves in your area and if there were wolves they wouldn't kill your cows?

I wonder how you would feel if you could no longer use dogs to move your cows? Or let your dog/dogs sleep on the porch? How would you feel if your kids couldn't go for hikes out of sight of the house, or sleep in the backyard anymore? How would you like these wolves chitting in your yard knowing what EG is?

You say you don't hate wolves, do you like thieves also? The wolves are thieves protected by the feds and WDFW. How would like having to stand guard over your home 24/7 so that thieves wouldn't break in and steal your things? And when they did get caught how would you like it if the cops said it wasn't thieves, or when they caught the thieves they turned them loose, to see if they would steal from you again and again. My guess is that pretty soon you would learn to hate thieves. How would you feel about the people who allowed this to happen to you time and time again and then ran to the newspaper and lied their azz off.

In 2004 when we started seeing wolves on a regular bases, I thought it was kind of cool, I knew nothing about these new wolves or the wolf introduction. Nine years later I have the lowest opinion of wolves and those who introduce them and then protect them with lies.

I don't think hate is the proper word, as it goes much deeper.

Great post.


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[asl20bball]

yes the wolf is a iconic figure that separates urban from rural interests..the irony is that it trully is the rural folks who the wolves directly effect and who dislike the wolves as a result. Yet the urban voice seems to speak louder due to the unforunate fact the rural voice is out numbered.  It should be best practice to listen and make desciions according to those whose lifestyles are ACTUALLY effected. This, to me, is the most frustration part of this whole issue.