Most reliable muzzleloader?

[washingtonmuley]

I am looking at buying a western states legal muzzleloader and would like your opinions. I want one that will fire every time in normal conditions. I am not interested in CVA as I have seen way too many misfires with that gun.
Thanks

[mtman]

Thompson center blackdiamond fires every time. The reliable part is all up to you. lots of cleaning and im sure they all would fire everytime.

[Mfowl]

Go with a Knight! Easy to operate and keep clean. Very reliable. I don't think you can count on any ML to fire every time unconditionally. I have had some musket caps fail at the range in mine but #11 caps are very reliable. I shoot a Bighorn.

[washingtonmuley]

Thompson center blackdiamond fires every time. The reliable part is all up to you. lots of cleaning and im sure they all would fire everytime.

I always keep my gear clean therefore it is reliable. I would expect an out of the box muzzy to be able to fire 2 shots in a row without a misfire. CVA was very aware of this problem when I contacted them.

[10thmountainarcher]

I second the black diamond, I've had mine for 7 years and only had 2 misfires with the #11 caps, went to the musket cap and have had no problems.  Thing is an absolute tack driver..

[Mudman]

Mathews.

[washingtonmuley]

Mathews.

I hear ya mudman. I will be starting out with my Limbsaver and then continuing on from there as I have the multi deer and elk tag.

[Dirty Mike]

Knight bighorn

[Timberstalker]

Traditions Vortek

I actually have one and it is awesome, no problems whastsoever.  I suggested it to many others and ruined those friendships .  Traditions really failed on this one.

[Sabotloader]

I am looking at buying a western states legal muzzleloader and would like your opinions. I want one that will fire every time in normal conditions. I am not interested in CVA as I have seen way too many misfires with that gun.
Thanks

I am a broken record  but I would highly suggest a Knight DISC Extreme...

Here are some pics...











Also I do have a nearly new blued Knight Wolverine with a Williams peep sight installed on it that I would like to sell. If you might be interested.  But IMO the DISC Extreme is more versatile.

I personally am using a Knight Ultra-Lite and using it both for a rifle season over here in Idaho then converting it to Western Legal for our ML season.

Set up this way it is ready for regular rifle season...



Then I switch it back to a Western Legal ML..

[MountainDevil54]

most muzzleloaders these days are quality and will do the job. How some people treat their muzzleloaders, what they do when they load them, all depends on how reliable they are. A simple thing like a bad nipple will cause misfires. Using pellets with #11 ignition is only asking for a misfire, served on a silver platter.

[washingtonmuley]

most muzzleloaders these days are quality and will do the job. How some people treat their muzzleloaders, what they do when they load them, all depends on how reliable they are. A simple thing like a bad nipple will cause misfires. Using pellets with #11 ignition is only asking for a misfire, served on a silver platter.

Thanks for all the great info fellas.
Mountain,
Why is that so with pellets and the #11 and what powder would you recommend?

[MountainDevil54]

pellets are harder to ignite. Pyrodex pellets actually use a real black powder ignitor at one end of the pellet to help it light up. Pyrodex - T7 in general is harder to light up with a #11 cap due to them having higher ignition temps than real black powder. Actually if you read on the pellet box, they clearly state, for  inlines with 209 primer only.  Do some folks use pellets with #11 caps? Sure, plenty out there, but when it fails to fire, you normally get the " this dang gun blah blah blah!"

Im a big pyrodex fan, but hang fires do come along now and then. In some guns like our cabelas hawken, the bolster is very small and pyrodex RS and Select <-- big time!, clog up after a couple shots to where powder can no longer flow under the nipple.  Zero trouble with Goex 2f.

I once bought a new cva mountain rifle in 45cal, that bad boy when i got it, would pop caps but never the powder. I changed nipples and never had any trouble after that. Its always best to start with the easy, least expensive stuff if you are having ignition troubles.

[trophyhunt]

I second the black diamond, I've had mine for 7 years and only had 2 misfires with the #11 caps, went to the musket cap and have had no problems.  Thing is an absolute tack driver..

I third the t/c, mine is the xr 50 cal, and I shoot pellets with a musket cap. I have NEVER (nock on wood) had any problems with miss fires, and one day in heavy rain towards the end of the day I purposely didn't try hard to keep it dry and it fired when I got back to the truck.

[BiggLuke]

Knight.