another stupid game reg

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

also ray how would a lighted nock lead to more near dark shots? it doesnt matter if you can see the arrow if you cant see your pins!! and we all know you should never see the arrow in flight if you are following through correctly....

[Ray]

I don't care what the benefits are. They are not benefits I agree with and the cornerstone of our season and archery unity is based upon our equipment and methods. This would probably break a lot of the unity in the archery community as silly as it seems. It isn't the archery I know when you have lights coming off your bow or even scopes or other electronics. It's not what the season was made for.

I don't have pins on my bow. It is a piece of wood and however you want to paint it luminocks aint better it is worse because it compromises the integrity of the season by permitting electronics on your bow. Go play your video games if you have to have lights coming off your bow. I don't expect 20 something year olds to respect wisdom. I certainly didn't very often when I was your age. I knew everything about everything.

This is not an advantage but a gateway to more problems for archers who feel the need to put electronics on their gear. You may never get it and I can clearly see that. But the good thing is there are grumpy old fart elitists like me out there to hold the ground firm against these sort of poor tactics and "modernized" equipment.

[waoutdoorsman]

I don't expect 20 something year olds to respect wisdom. I certainly didn't very often when I was your age. I knew everything about everything.

Ouch!!!    i was just stating my perspective on luminocks , like i said i dont use them and never plan on it but i dont think that people who would are disgraceful hunters. I can see how technology taints the quality of the hunt and can sort of take the fun out of it (trail cams etc) in my perspective but thats just me i know others would feel differently, i just dont see how a lighted nock is different from a brightly painted (maybe even glow in the dark paint-dunno if they have those or not) nock it does the same thing except one has batteries.

"People lived without luminocks for many years. I believe the next generation can also learn to live without them and still harvest animals cleanly."

agreed

[Ray]

waoutdoorsman, I realized originally how I worded that first quote how bad it came across. Read my edited version which I believe is much more correct and slightly (only slightly) less condescending. 

[waoutdoorsman]

its all good 

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

fair enough, but I dont claim to know it all but I love how people always use the "ive been doing this forever" statement, thats great but you can do things wrong for 20 years and that still doesnt make you as good or right to someone that has been doing it for a year...... but we can agree to disagree, you see it as a way to use more eletrical gadgets with archery and I also agree thats wrong, and as a way to lessen the sport, I simply see it as a insurance policy for finding my extremely expensive hunting arrows.. and yes I have done just fine without them but in no way think they would do anything but help me and any bowhunter in arrow recovery, im never happy about losing a 25 dollar arrow after killing a animal.. it doesnt happen to often but when it does a lighted nock sure would help.......

[Ray]

Well the age part wasn't a bully tactic to say or even imply I know more than you. It was what it was nothing more. I have not implied I have been shooting bows longer than you anywhere and that I know more than you about archery. I might imply that I do understand reasoning behind the stupid laws on this subect to a larger degree and the impacts of changing them because I have seen these sort of things before. That isn't a fact it's just suggestive and is to be taken somewhat lightly.

[boneaddict]

The thing everybody seems to be missing is the reg. is not about Luminoks. They are a great tool for being able to see your arrow in flight, impact point, and finding it after the shot. ALL good sound archery basics. The reg was written about mounted electronics ie. laser sights etc. Luminocks just happen to fit the criteria ( electronic) The reason for those regs. and the stark reality we must face today is whether we want bowhunting to be a primitive sport with long seasons and limited kills or whether we want just another way to efficiently dispatch game. The amount of individual effort put into becoming proficient at finding, stalking, ambushing, and generally taking game is the real key to hunting success. The use of technological gadgetry to decrease or eliminate this amount of effort is flat-out betrayal of the sport. Look how upset people get about steroids in professional sports. The problems developing are the results of an attitude rather than actions. This attitude is one that not only allows the prostitution of the sport but actually encourages it. It is an attitude that has come about because the bowhunters who really care about the sport are outnumbered by those who think success is measured by the amount of blood drawn or tags filled and are not too particular how it is done

NICELY PUT.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I can see where your saying if they allow those then it will open the door for more gadgets into bowhunting and I also am oposed to that...

[boneaddict]

Hoyt, I was the one that mentioned folks might think of it as an advantage using it after late hours and I got that from watching hnting videos where people actually mentioned thats why they use them.   They shoot them and then recover the animal the next day.  Not sure who eats them then, but anyhow that is where that came from.  I am guessing by your name on here,  it is to your advantage for products to keep improving.  Obviously  everyone wants to improve things, but you have to step back for a moment and ask yourself what you get out of hunting.  If its one week a year, then keep improving things to a point where there is no longer any challenge and harvest is a guarantee. Soon there won't be a primitive season ( currently what all bowhunting is).  Is there a point where we technology ourselves out of our sport....  again what was stated above was nicely put.

[Ray]

Well it doesn't take a video for me to conclude that people would be tempted to use them at dusk in less than optimal shooting light and on targets they would otherwise pass on.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

Well to me thats crazy to use them for that, and never thought anyone would, but what do I know? even with the new technology archery is still tough, its not easy to outsmart a bull elk or big buck, I had a guided hunt in remote eastern Idaho this year, the bulls were there and screaming but it all didnt pan out, no amount of technology made that any easier for me... I love to archery hunt plain and simple and I would like to recover all of my arrows I shoot at game, thus the luminock for me makes sense, but I see how the more gadgets that are introduced or legal could hurt the tradition of the sport and its purity.. for myself they would be great, but for the overall public I could see how it would not be so much.......

[bullcanyon]

If they were legal.  Those individuals would be breaking the law and should be punished like any other poacher. 

By the way.  The lil guy winking at ya after my hatin comment was meant to clarify that I was kidding.

[deaddog]

I don't think that modern bows should have to hunt with mod rifle. Just because people dont have time to practice with a traditional bow doesn't mean they need to go out when every animal runs at the first hint of a person.

You shouldn't be hunting with any weapon if you don't have time to practice.

I could not agree more. Its called an primitive season for a reason. I thought the idea was to have a more chalenging hunt. now i know some of you guys have said things like( let them indians) use the same weapons their forefathers did and I would not have a problem with them. Then you load up your $500.00 bow with your $100. a doz arrows, $500.00 range finder, $450.00 GPS ,$8000.00 ATV and go hunt the primitive season? All Im saying is lets look at the original intent of the season!

[popeshawnpaul]

I'm ok with any devise that helps one aid in retrieving an animal after being shot.  If that is a lumenock, then ok.  If that is a special light so you can see blood, then ok.  With all the "experience" the old farts have around here then they remember the times when they were trying to track an animal in the day or night and how technology could have helped them find that wounded animal.  Maybe it's not technology at all.  What about using a dog to track the animal down. 

Regardless, once I shoot I will do what it takes to find my animal.  I have lost wounded animals and helped to recover countless other animals from other hunters.  If you hunt long enough it will happen to you.  It left such a bad taste in my mouth I almost stopped hunting.  If you don't get that feeling then I don't think you truly respect the animal enough to hunt it.